A 50th anniversary few remember: LBJ's warning of carbon dioxide

I've never claimed the Imgur shots are fake, I'm saying they don't say what you claim they say.

So here you are repeating what's in those images. At least this time around you're being a lot more concise.

The average emperature of the Earth is about 15C. On the night side the temperature is far lower than the day side. So let's settle on 10C as the average night side temp. 10 degrees celsius is not energetic enough to radiate in the radio band, much less the IR.

The earth gives off heat, not IR. Radiation is the action of an atom or molecule shedding energy by emitting energetic photons. Heat is transferred between particles by diffusion. It's diffusion that's at work on Sol III archie. Heat from the atmosphere rises and is lost to space via the simplest of methods. That heat will escape completely unless it's absorbed by a "greenhouse" gas. That gas is water. Water, with it's high heat capacity traps heat close to the ground and keeps the night side from freezing. That's the reason why nights in a humid area are warmer than nights over a desert. I've said many times before that you, and most of the AGW true-believers, don't have even a high-school level of science understanding. You don't know the difference between heat and IR.

Warm air holds more water than cool air. Humidity is increased over the whole globe during this warming period. On the day side rapid heating causes water to rise. The highest clouds reflect incoming photons while those lower down trap heat below them. At night the low clouds sink lower do to the temperature difference resulting in a decreased volume of air below the clouds meaning that less heat escapes to apace. Increased humidity is the reason why nights are warming faster than the days. It has nothing to do with CO2 as CO2 only acts as a climate modifier while IR is incoming.

CO2 is indeed opaque to IR over a few meters, the exact value depending on the concentration of CO2 at that particular altitude.

You don't have a clue about the physics of the topic for which you claim such expertise. CO2 is opaque to IR in 2 narrow bands from 10-16 microns. Water is also opaque to IR at that same frequency. Altitude? No archie, the absorption band of CO2 does not vary with altitude.

The more CO2, the longer an IR photon remains in the atmosphere; the less CO2, the shorter.

An IR photon charging around in the atmosphere has no effect on temperture whatsoever. Until it's absorbed by some molecule it has no way of transferring energy. Incoming IR is either absorbed, transferring energy to an atom or molecule in the form of heat, or it's reflected back to space. IR is photonic energy and it behaves as any other photon.

You have even noted that satelitte instruments record less outgoing IR in the 10-16 micron band due to more CO2 in the atmosphere. IR that would normally be reflected is being absorbed before leavng the atmosphere. IR is not absorbed and held for later release.

The difference is more marked at night because it means temperatures fall slower than they would past sundown.

Read that again archie.That makes no sense at all.

You've noticed that it's usually colder at night, right? That's because there is no new influx of IR photons from the sun, just those being radiated by the ground and those being caught and re-emitted by greenhouse gases.

The images that you claim that I've misunderstood say what you've written above. So please archie, stop with the denials. The images show clearly that you're now repeating what you wrote before.

Physics lesson archie: Opaque means that the atom or molecule absorbs a photon. Once absorbed it heats the particle. The particle does not re-emit the photon unless it's sufficiently energetic such that it can not absorb any more of the incoming energy. An incoming photon of any energy can can pass through a particle (transparency), be refracted by it, or be absorbed. Nitrogen is transparent to most incoming photons but refracts at the blue end of the spectrum giving us blue skies. CO2 refracts at the red end giving pink skies on Mars. Transparancy to most wavelengths is what makes atmospheric gases visually transparent, as it does with glass and water. But that does not apply to all wavelengths which gives us the refractive properties of gasses, glass, and water.

I have never made that claim. That's not the reason why nights are warming up faster than days. Again, I never said that the Earth stores IR for release at night. The absorbtion of energy/emission of IR photons is an ongoing process.

That's exactly what you said before, and what you're saying now archie. No 10C material radiates IR.

I haven't. All I've confirmed here is that I know more about this topic than you.

I think We've pretty much put that fallacy to rest.

I've already told you I wouldn't report you in this old thread, because I don't want to bother /u/Will_Power with something no one else cares about.

That's what little kids say when A) they chicken out, or B) can't follow up on an empty threat.

I'm also not going to respond to any more of your provocations here. I've shown you were wrong many times, and you've simply ignored the evidence and arguments presented, as you always do.

My provocations? Are you not the one who showed up to argue, what is for you, one of your most ridiculous objections? archie, you started this. And you did so either because you sincerly believe that LBJ meant to say something other than what he said in the speech, or you decided to bother me for your own amusement. Now that it's not so amusing for you, but very amusing for me, you're looking for a back door. NO archie, there is no emergency exit.

I really don't give a flying fuck what you do. My state of mind is in no way influenced by your behavior whatsoever. If anything, I feel sad for you, because it is clear you are suffering inside.

Well archie, let's see if that's the case. I'm taking images of this thread and I'll be sharing them with interested parties. Are you still not affected by my behaviour?

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