I'm pugging 12/13s and see a lot of people here who are talking about anything as low as 7s so not everyone has a set group.

I outdpsed a 1500 io rogue in siege 13 last night who then proceeded to tell me I'm the worst tank in the universe. This is standard when pugging.

I probably pug more mythics than he runs daily, so I wasn't talking out of my ass, just my experience - same as him.

His stuff would almost never fly in an average pug. I tried. Routes.. talking.. int rotations.. your most basic stuff you take for granted are still foreign objects even at 13s. Anything beyond that I cannot speak to, pugging or otherwise. But if you have better luck pugging, I guess everything he says is true.

I'd still rather risk with a mw over a disc even tho the latter is my fav when played well.