this also makes me think about another issue I have with Frasier, despite my love for the show, it seems incredibly misogynistic at times. Like Roz's promiscuous lifestyle is the butt of sooo many jkoes, it's fucking tiring and no one ever learns a lesson about it. Plus how they treated Daphne's weight issues, which i think was especially fucked up as Niles had just come from a relatinoship with a woman who was described as being obsessed with plastic surgery and her ability to hide behind a grain of rice, like wtf?? i dunno where i was goin with this. oh Bulldog drives me up the fucking wall too for similar reasons, everyone treats his attitude towards women as mischievous and funny but it's totally fucked up, he's an asshole and a predator tbh. anywya