Have you heard of the death positive movement? It's not as weird and gloomy as it sounds. The gist is to make death less taboo, also more options when it cones to end of life care, and less cultural censorship. I think it's a bit strange, we live in an age of technology that allows us humans to know the universe is utterly indifferent to our existence. Yet, somehow, we put up with elected officials that actively ignor science that says our species is pushing it's self more and more towards possible oblivion. May i be so bold as to ask, what got you thinking about antinatalism? I'm a 33 year old man with a healthy four year old daughter, so you'll get no judgy bs from me.. Some of Benetar's ideas are very close to some that had been floating around my head for a couple years. Reading schopenauer added to my opinion too. To me, reflecting on the thought of eventual nothingness can be quite soothing. I think the epicureans were on the right track, no nned to fear death, hang with good friends as often as possible. I'm sure what youre experience has been as far as seeing people close to you suffer unnecesssarily. My mother died due to squamos cell lung cancer that matastisized to her brain. My best friend's father, and father figure to me, died from pancreatic cancer. My mother was an RN, so she knew the nastiness of her diagnosis, asked me if i had heard of death with dignity. I had heard or read about it, but knew very little. I think it probably works for some, but it struck me as if it was designed to gradually disuade one from going through with it. It didnt really mattet in the end. Her cognitive function declined rapidly after the surgery. If one cannot express the desire the proceed the in the proper manner after the proper waiting period as well the proper amount of times, of course, the procedure cant happen. If you take a look at what's required you'll most likely see that it makes intuitive sense. Physicians want to give the persons plenty of steps and waiting periods so there is no ambiguity as to the patient's intention What are your thoughts on physician assisted death, schopenauer, ethics/morals in society at the present time, epicurean philosophy?