Are there actions a person can perform that will cause even 'Saved' individuals to be denied Grace?

1.The word apostle means “one who is sent out.” In the New Testament, there are two primary usages of the word apostle. The first is in specifically referring to the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ. The second is in generically referring to other individuals who are sent out to be messengers/ambassadors of Jesus Christ. Matthew 10:2-4 lists the name of the 12 Apostles Whereas Barnabas is and Paul are also referred to as apostles in (Acts 13:2) (Acts 14:14-15) Epaphroditus was also a apostle (Philippians 2:25)

Acts specifically restricts the word "Apostle" only to people who knew Jesus from the time of his baptism to the crucifixion. Paul is excluded under that definition. Paul also speaks of "apostles," but does not reference these requirements or show any awareness of them and names several people (including himself) who are not included in the list given in Acts. Paul even calls a woman named Junia an Apostles. These are not "two different uses" of the word, there are contradictory uses of the word. Paul shows no awareness of Luke's definition and names different people.

Even Luke is internally inconsistent about how he defines an Apostles because in Acts 1:22, he explicitly says they have to have been witness to Jesus' baptism by John, yet he includes a bunch of names that (according to the Gospels) never met Jesus until after his baptism. Like Peter and James and John.

2.[According to ancient tradition, Judas hanged himself above the Valley of Hinnom on the edge of a cliff. Eventually the rope snapped (or was cut or untied), thus causing his body to fall headfirst into the field below, as Luke described. Matthew does not deny that Judas fell and had his entrails gush out, and Luke does not deny that Judas hanged himself. In short, Matthew records the method in which Judas attempted his death. Luke reports the end result.

Matthew says Judas threw the money back to the priests, then hung himself, then the priests bought the field. Acts says Judas bought the field with the money, then fell headlong and exploded. There's nothing in either story about a cliff and nothing about a rope breaking. This is an absurd apologetic invented to reconcile an obvious contradiction.

And not for nothing, but you can't fall head first when you're hanging from a noose.

If you are referring to after his resurrection than [here] https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/first-impressions/

I'd prefer that you answer the question yourself. It's simple. Where did Jesus first appear to the disciples?

4.We know from the Bible that He was crucified during the Passover . we also know he stayed on earth for 40 days and therefore Jesus ascended 10 days before Pentecost. Evidence he died during the passover Acts 1:3 tells us he stayed on earth for 40 days. which leads us to believe he ascended 10 days before pentecost

The only problem with this is that the Gospel of Luke says he ascended on Easter Sunday. So was it on Easter Sunday or 40 days later?

Incidentally, the Gospel of Luke says Jesus ascended from Bethany, but Acts says he ascended from the Mount of Olives, Which is it?

this shows us that we are only saved by our faith. However all men will be judged according to their deeds (Revelations 20:12)

Right so which is it?

And faith without works is dead, right? So faith alone doesn't work.

Jesus said we are judged only by how we treat others. Was he wrong. Paul says the whole of the law is fulfilled by loving one's neighbor.Other people in the Bible are forgiven merely for repenting their sins (in the Old Testament, before Jesus) and some people are forgiven without even repenting (Luke 23:34). So the Bible is all over the place on this.

this shows us that we are only saved by our faith. However all men will be judged according to their deeds (Revelations 20:12)

I know the standard attempts to harmonize this. I want you to answer the question yourself. Was Jesus born during the reign of Herod or during the census of Quirinius. There is a ten year gap there. which is it? Goa ahead and pick whatever you think the strongest argument is from your links and I will show you why they fail completely. This is one of the most intractable, undeniable contradictions in the New Testament.

7.No

Mark says otherwise.

(8)1. Simon Peter (Matt. 10:2) 2. Andrew (Matt. 10:2) 3. James the son of Zebedee (Matt. 10:2) 4. John (Matt. 10:2) 5. Philip (Matt. 10:3) 6. Bartholomew (Matt. 10:3) 7. Thomas (Matt. 10:3) 8. Matthew (Matt. 10:3) 9. James the son of Alphaeus (Matt. 10:3) 10. Thaddaeus (Matt. 10:3), or Judas the son of James (Luke 6:16) 11. Simon the Zealot (Matt. 10:4) 12. Judas Iscariot (Matt. 10:4) 13. Matthias (Acts 1:26) 14. Paul (Gal. 1:1) 15. Barnabas (1 Cor. 9:5-6, Acts 14:4, 14) 16. Andronicus (Rom. 16:7) 17. Junias (Rom. 16:7) 18. James, the Lord's brother (Gal. 1:19) 19. Silas (Silvanus) (1 Thess. 1:1, 2:6) 20. Timothy (1 Thess. 1:1, 2:6) 21. Unnamed apostles (1 Cor. 15:7)

That's way more than twelve and it includes names not listed by Luke and who were not witness to the things Apostles were supposed to have been witness to.

God's existence is the conclusion I have reached when I see the wonder that is the Beauty of the world and how perfectly it is designed particularly nature not the evil we have brought into this world. And the God of the bible is the only that changed my life and the only spiritual book that is consistent. (awaits cry's of the bible's "inconsistency")

What part of the universe do you think requires magic to explain it it? Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean a wizard must have done it.

The Bible contradicts itself constantly. You were unable to harmonize a single thing I listed, and I only named a few. I didn't even go into all the provable mistakes, and rampant, demonstrable ahistority of most of its historical claims.

I didn't go into the moral barbarism either. A "spiritual" book which endorses slavery, misogyny, kidnapping and rape of preteen girls, genocide, infanticide, human trafficking and the imposition of brutal executions for things like picking up sticks on a Saturday or (for women) not bleeding on the sheets on your wedding night makes me shudder to think what a non-spiritual book would look like.

You changed your own life, by the way. Give yourself credit. Don't let anyone tell you that you didn't.

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