Commentators talked about how he was in the conversation in the whole league.

I can't recall where he finished in voting.

Wade was not better then Kobe in the early 2000s you're severely underestimating him hes one of the best defenders at the wing we have had. Wade doesnt have a single 1st team defense you do know that right?

Also kobe was still playing great defense in 2013 i dont know what people are talking about. He locked down kyrie and would often guard the teams best players later in the game. He still played really good defense. Maybe he couldn't do it for a full 48 minutes anymore but he still did in the second half. I watched the lakers game i dont know if you did, but to say he was a minus on defense is a joke.

Even know shit kobe got that steal because he told lou williams beal was getting the ball. He can read the defense and knows whats happening someone with that iq will never be a bad defender. He would know what the offense was doing before they did it. His, help rotations and anticipation never went away. He lost some athletcism but he was still a good defender. To call him average is laughable.

40 year old MJ was not better than him. At this point you'r just guessing and making up stuff. You don't get a reputation like that just because. You earn it.

LBJ was never a better defender at the wing then kobe either, look at all the hype he gets and he still only finished with 5X nba 1st team almost half of kobes. So your narrative of media throwing awards at players doesn't work. Not to mention kobe got bashed by the media way more then most. With his rape accusations etc. Its why he got only 1 mvp, when he should have won 2, nash should have 1.

Prince, lol.. yea okay man you didn't watch the lakers or young kobe play thats fine. Its very clear, I watched most of their games and this discussion is a joke. Its not even worth having if you will literally make up stuff as you go along.

Barely a top 3? lmfao what a fucking joke.

Its a different time sure, but he wasn't the best at offense even then. I rank players based off how good they are, that is part of it. Bill Russel wasn't very good at basketball. A rookie Okafor and towns are better offensively then he ever was. You have no argument other then i dont understand...?

Wilt did not shoot below 50% TS, idc how bad they were from the field your TS should be above 50% at least. His wasn't.

He wasn't the greatest defender of all time when he defended in a time where no one shot 50% what are you talking about? There was no 3pt line either to worry about defense was much easier to play as well.