Are women really as oblivious or delusional about their true RMV as TRP seems to think?

The thing is, how else do you explain stories like this, where women get angry at their FWB for not committing. You read these stories all the time.

You could say - men in the friend zone are angry at their female friends, aren't they over-estimating their SMV? And my answer is - these men have the wrong framework - they think beta affection generates attraction, when it's alpha charisma, so sure, they are - but I think women who do prefer beta affection do exist, and a lot of is disappointment that their target is not one of those unicorns, not over-estimating how physically attractive they are. It's a gamble that sometimes works - it's like investing, you know the chances are bad beforehand, but you're still sad if you lose money.

The thing about the friend zone as a strategy is that it works, empirically.

The study found that hotness correlation was strongest for couples who began dating within a month of meeting. Couples who had known each other or been friends before becoming romantically involved were less likely to be matched in attractiveness.

There's a whole cottage industry about men "not committing" or being "afraid to commit." What would be the mechanism for this if not hypergamy?

The male sex drive is much higher, and men more willing to have casual sex with women of lower SMV - this has been exhaustively documented.

Like, in what bizarro world is a female 5 offering NSA sex to the male 5 in the hopes of getting commitment. If that was possible, women like Karen Owen couldn't exist.

You could make up scenarios like, oh, men are all addicted to video games and porn, so they don't want to date, and women are forced to chase after a small pool of men, but that can't explain how women are able to sleep with men of much higher SMV in the casual sex market.

I feel like a lot of women, however, are not only keenly aware of where they stand in the RMP, but oftentimes rank themselves even a point or two lower.

I think there's a lot of variance in how women rank themselves - I'm not denying that a lot of women under-rate themselves. They tend to spectacularly miss the mark harder than men, both up and down - so an 8 who hasn't got hit on a lot might rate herself as a 6 depending on her mood, maybe by chance men didn't pay her that much attention recently, while a 6 might think she's a 9 b/c of riding the CC - but on average, I think they tend to over-rate themselves more than men, and that's a function of the difference in the male and female sex drive, and the much lower male emotional-intimacy threshold (and standard) for NSA sex.

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