Arsene Wenger: "Bayern? How to beat the unbeatable? By doing exactly what we have done against Manchester United"

thats the only reason I would even consider United in top10 in the world. because of the success in europe under SAF. Im not having excuses for City, when you spend as much money as they have you should be doing well and getting to the semi finals in europe at least. its typical over rating of english teams. Chelsea for years now has been the only team capable of doing something in europe (aside from last years shit show). City do well v English teams, not even the top ones consistently, but when it comes to playing actual elite teams they are exposed for the true team they are. Its not about them being unlucky like City fans pretend, for the money they spend and the squads they've had there is absolutely no excuse. And they've been doing it for 6 years now. English teams are going through a slump, aside from Chelsea who have done quite well (aside from last year), the truth is i dont rate any of those teams City, United and Arsenal (no offence) on the same level as the champions league teams people consider them to be on par with. Even United, they're shit, the only reason i put them up there is because with Chelsea they've been the only team doing well for England for the last decade. If Arsenal can get up there again we'll see, I wouldnt say its impossible and Wenger is definitely someone who has experience to get to the semis/finals as hes done before. BUT i dont put City in that tier with Chelsea, Atletico, Juventus at all and to put them in with those elite teams (we all know Chelsea is miles off how good they were last year) is an insult. And the fact that they havent done anything in europe, given the money they've spent makes it even worse imo. Absolutely no excuses this year with the squad they have and they robbed a win v Gladbach a week ago. If the English teams were as good as they used to be and City was still held in this regard domestically then i'd say they are up there in that tier, but the truth our league is massively over rated and doing well in, and not doing anything in europe, means fuck all for how you rate against the top teams in europe.

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