Atheists, why do you believe there is no God?

It seems you are in the wrong state to digest much of what I have to say to you so I will perhaps remain silent. The loss of a loved one is a difficult experience and one in which a textual interaction (in my experience, especially with a stranger) can be easily misconstrued and lead to very unpleasant vibrations, which I should like to avoid.

Applying my few examples to your friend however, is wrong. Since I neither made mention of your friend or anyone in particular. For future reference, these are examples of possibilities. Understanding the laws that govern creation, there are manifold ways in which each of the laws combine with the choices we make to weave what becomes the fate of each one.

Are you at all familiar with reincarnation? Simply stated, this is but one Earth-life, of which each human being present on Earth today has lived several. This Earth is not the center and axis of Creation, and neither is it the home, origin, or destination of the human spirit. We came here millions of years ago for the sole purpose of development. The natural course of this development, that is in the very beginning, there was no suffering. The Earth was paradisaical, like a nursery carefully built for the human spirits who were guests therein. This much is oft described in the Christian book in Genesis I believe.

Suffering, illness, disease, etc, are all artifacts which came much later and is a direct result of human beings forcefully deviating from their normal path. I emphasis forcefully because it took monumental effort to derail things to lead to where we are today.

What you experience suffering is the effect of the natural laws, which take effect automatically. It is simply giving back what each one has put in in an amplified, multiplied way. This will make much more sense to you if you imagine what it ought to be. Where a man's good deeds are multiplied a hundred fold. But even in the case of bad fruits being sown and being returned, it is only always in a manner that man stands to benefit from it. In the tasting of the fruits of ones actions, we come to know our true nature and the effects of our actions on others. The one who desires control and tyranny is himself placed under the conditions he desired. Through the experience he comes to learn not to desire such things.

In your friends case, it is illogic to try to understand the specific reasons why he/she was afflicted with such a disease. But each experience, no matter how painful, can be of benefit if experienced in the right way. The how or why will always lead to speculation.

Example: it is conceivable that a parent, out of love for their child will take on some burden if they see the child behaving in a way that will inevitably lead them to irreversible suffering or hardship. Is it not? Then consider that the same sacrifice can be made in the beyond, where a soul voluntarily, of their own free will, and out of love for another, submits to a mission that involves such a disease to help the parent. Which parent may have been a friend, brother, sister, or even child in some former life. Through the suffering of a loved one, which is often times even more sever than the suffering of the one afflicted, a strong help may be offered to the parents who would otherwise have taken a wrong path.

There are uncountable ways in which the laws manifest. We do not know the history of each one, what they have done or what they have left undone. And so are in no position to judge the justness of this or that. But to insist that nature or the way the world works is unjust is as illogic as insisting that gravity affects people arbitrarily....

So she could enter heaven? Yeah, right. She died because she was unlucky, because of gene errors, because this universe does not exist for us nor care about us.

Fortunately, I am not beholden to your version of reality. Neither your opinions or thoughts on the matter, nor mine for that matter, affect what reality really is.

So there's no reason for me not to be an atheist, then.

I think we have a comprehension problem here.

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