Ive been at it for 3 years now, you can see my post history for a before/after. But ill repeat what a famous doctor said once "close your eyes and imagine your dream body...now open them....youre not getting it"

You need extreme dedication, a decade of optimal training, perfect nutrition and sleep, winning the genetic lottery, and maybe sprinkle some drugs on top, and mayyyyybe youll get there.

Most people do not have what it takes to get jacked, strong, AND shredded, especially without drugs. At best you can maybe get 2 out of 3 at the same time. Most can get 1 out of 3.

Just assume anyone you see that has a perfect body is on gear, and probably lots of gear. Is that worth shortening your life for? For me the answer is no.

Just train hard, improve the body you have, and be happy with whatever results you get instead of trying to immitate other men.