Choices, choices... Symmetry vs asymmetry in a worldview.

In one hand, you're opposing inequalities and in the other hand, you're the cause of inequality metaphysically.

No joke, right? This is what I am struggling with sometimes. I want to be with the common people, but I also don't want to be helpless. Well, I can't have it all. My nearest best compromise is to say, no more common people, everyone = God. End of story. Then if I am God and you're God, we're still equal. So I am still using the principle of symmetry in that way.

The problem is, when I step outside /r/oneirosophy it gets really hard for me to believe that people are Gods. :( There is a difference between glass half full positive thinking and total and utter denial of what's in front of my face. I can only stretch things so much before they start to look ridiculous to me. Maybe that's just my own limitation. I don't know. Probably. Maybe I am just not sufficiently crazy yet.

Another thing, even if let's say everyone is God deep down, but not everyone is in any great hurry to manifest their Godly qualities, well, this can take a while unless I take the reigns and begin choosing which of the potential universes I perceive, which will make me fundamentally not something that follows the same principles as the universes I choose, even if I can convince myself that the beings in those universes all follow the same principles individually, but taken as a set, I am once again following different rules than the set.

I don't think I want to hang out for thousands of maybe millions of years waiting for something that has no certain outcome unless I cheat the process by tilting the scales toward widespread Godliness. Ideally everyone would want to become God post haste, but I am not sure this is likely unless I magick some stuff around here. On the other hand, I guess I am always magicking stuff, albeit unconsciously... Maybe I just don't want to become conscious of how I am this elitist snob all along? Maybe I am the very thing I hate? Heheh... I wouldn't be surprised.

Well, for this philosophy, don't you have to believe that there's something inherently special about you, specifically?

No, I don't have to believe that. I can believe that everyone is just like me, but they're not interested in my vision. They like this stuff here. It's all just different kinds of games, and I don't like this game, but they do. So it's not because we're different metaphysically, we just act on different preferences.

I take it more like being part of the audience in a play. That's asymmetrical, too. You're not part of the show any more, you don't have to feel anything for the characters, but you're free to. The actors have to really demonstrate that they're serious about what's happening on stage.

Yup, and if you don't like the play, you can up and go see a different one.

But then I wonder, do the poor care about the poor? I'm not convinced.

That's exactly what I often think. I think it's really naive to think that the 10 super-wealthy people have caused a problem that by its nature is 95% systemic. The system needs rank and file people to keep it oiled and functioning. Why are they doing it? The super-wealthy, if they didn't have loud and quiet cheerleaders among the poor, would collapse overnight. The fact that they're doing just fine suggests that everyone is playing a hand in this show in a way that collectively provides a very secure situation for the status quo, assuming multi-agent causation.

Or, if you want to look at it from the POV of a single-agent causation, I've caused this big mess as a God, but I am trying to fix it as a common person? That's absurd. I can't fix through political action something I created at the level of divinity! That's idiotic.

That might be true for the initiated, because we're better equipped for assuming self-control, for assuming responsibility, but I believe the common person is basically just doing what they've always done like a meat robot rationalizing it, with a tiny tiny part of them screaming for help, swimming against the current, but that tiny part is still swept up in old habits. I still experience this! But I'm conscious of it, and I have a plan to override it. This is commonly called "Executive function" in psychological parlance.

Same here. Oh boy.

Do I think, fuck'em? Not really. If I can divert the damage, I will. For the most part, I have to focus on myself.

I'm just frustrated in my politics, basically. Yea, while in some sense I am very happy and things are going great, on the place of my identity where I think of myself as a social being, that's where things are not going so great.

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