CMV: Being pro-life for the baby's sake doesn't make sense.

I'm sure you know that nothing magical happens at all

From the article you just linked:

The Road to Awareness
But when does the magical journey of consciousness begin? Consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells.

The magical leap of faith I was referring to wasn't about the "the entire process of reproduction, gestation, pregnancy, and birth" but about how the domain of awareness itself magically arises out of physical processes according to scientific dogma. I read a couple of the studies you posted and they were both guilty of reducing subjective experiences to their neurocorrelates ("It's in this sophisticated part of the brain that a person actually perceives the feeling of pain"). Pain isn't experienced in the brain, it's experienced within the subjective stream of consciousness and has objective correlates within the brain.

As you read these words, you experience the colors and shapes in your visual field which arises within the space of your awareness, right? Is your experience nothing but light rays passing through your retinas and sending signals to your visual cortex? Experience itself exists in a domain of reality that can't be reduced to mere physical processes, right? So, where does it come from? Saying that this domain of reality just magically appears out of "a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells" is a leap of faith. While "[t]he brain is absolutely a domain that science can (and does) study", the first-person, subjective mind is not.

That being said, I wasn't aware of all the ways a fetus is sedated in the womb and, while I'm still not convinced they're not conscious and they don't suffer, I suspect they suffer much less than I imagined before reading your post and links.

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