CMV: To believe in a loving God requires a certain level of delusional thinking or ignorance to how the world works.

Yes, and the pain that they cause is what makes their acts evil.

Is working out painful? Absolutely. Is Physical Therapy brutally painful? It sure can be. It's actually one of the problems in modern America. Many, many people do not want to work hard anymore. They don't want to work through the pain to be able to walk again. They want some miracle cure.

You keep asserting the differences in freedom of morality and not. I don't think you really understand the concept. It's a 0 sum game, compared to the ability to walk or fly. You either have it or you do not. You cannot kind of be free.

Even if you could, would you want partial freedom in exchange for always being happy? Why not just be totally robotic if it makes things work better? What's the point in your mind?

For me, it comes back to the choice of love. Love is not complete when it does not have free will.

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