CMV: Incels are a reaction to the young men of today realizing how much disgust and contempt women have for weak and mediocre men.

Most women are not disgusted by "weak and mediocre men", They're just turned off by men with no confidence, poor personal hygiene, poor social skills, self-hatred, etc. Weak, sure, but that's well below mediocre and it's hard to blame women for not being into men like that. I wouldn't like a woman like that either.

To be fair, I understand their frustration. A lot of Incels have tried and tried and tried with no success because they've been given bad advice, or they have a poor grasp of tenuous of social dynamics. That makes them bitter, it warps their world view, and at some time they reach a point where their disappointment and rage reaches boils over and they become despicable (and ironically, even less attractive to women).

Now, I think you're certainty right that this is a men's issue that needs to be dealt with, but I don't think it's fair to push the blame on women. If that's not your intention, I apologize, but that's how it comes across. Women aren't making Incels act this way, not unreasonably anyway. They shouldn't have to drop their standards, and I don't think most women's standards are unreasonably high.

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