CMV: The Sith and the Empire are the good guys

but compared to the rest of the galaxy, Alderaan is so insignificant that it's like the US being called genocidal for cutting off my thumb.

"Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battle station." -Grand Moff Tarkin

The Empire destroyed Alderaan to make a point. Had the Rebels not destroyed the Death Star it would have been used again at the slightest hint of unrest. To use your analogy, it would be more like Obama ordering a hit on Paul Ryan and then telling all the GOP to either obey or they're next.

-In the prequels, the galaxy was tumultuous. People were sick of the Clone Wars and wanted a change, which the Empire gave.

The Clone Wars were an engineered crises caused directly by Emperor Palpatine. This if anything directly points to the Empire being evil.

-The Senate was corrupt.

The Senate was ineffective, that hardly is a clarion call for war. Additionally, the Senate did have one major success which was the absence of full-scale war sense its formation over 10,000 years ago. So by your logic, should we call for a global dictatorship now just because of the UN's failure to solve the (insert recent crisis).

The Senate couldn't get anything done,

Your basing your opinions on the senate based on what? 2 votes. The Republic was a thriving intergalactic economy that had lived in virtual peace for millenia. That's pretty damn good in my book.

Sure, they did extortion, but so did the Rebels.

First off, you're equating Rebels with the Republic which is pretty dangerous reasoning. Secondly, when the the Rebels practice extortion.

Sure, they murdered people, but so did the Republic

Empire: Murders children, commits genocide against most force potential people within the galaxy, murders non-human species, murders innocent people.

Rebellion:Kills enemy combatants in a war. I know of no scene in any of the movies where rebel forces are shown to attack civilians.

the Resistance did that in TFA,

So now where are equating Republic with the Rebellion and the Resistance. You need to keep with one group at a time. Furthermore, the Starkiller base at no point in the film is shown as a planet inhabited by anyone other than the First Order Military and thus was a legitimate military target. The Republic Capital and Alderaan clearly were not.

Rebels did that twice, in ANH and RotJ.

Once again: attacking military forces is not the same as deliberately targeting civilians.

Empire makes up for it

When do they make up for it?

it was actually still kinda democratic,

Where do you get that? My strong impression from the films was that it was like the Senate of Augustus Ceasar. Yeah sure I'll say that you exist, but don't tell me what to do. Furthermore, as the emperor was building the Death Star in secret the whole time, you could hardly give this as a point to the Empire. The Empire's endgame from before its formation was absolute dictatorial control by an immortal emperor palpatine.

-According to the EU, the Empire was really racist. However, this isn't even consistent in the EU, with Thrawn being high ranking, and also it's no longer canon.

1) The fact that one individual managed to buck the trends of racism doesn't contradict a prevailing trend.

2) While the EU is not canon, the utter absence of non-human Imperial forces is a strong suggestion of racist intent. Republic/Rebellion/Resistance forces have all been shown to be multi-species.

-The Rebels are just that, Rebels. They're a terrorist organization.

Being a rebel doesn't make you a terrorist. Furthermore, none of their actions seem to invoke terrorism. They essentially only seem to attack conventional targets for the hope of making real change within the war itself. At no point do they attempt to "strike fear" or use violence as an attempt to coerce another party.

-The rebellion destroyed two Death Stars, and the resistance destroyed starkiller base. This costs an estimated $31.2 septillion dollars for the Death Stars, and while I'm not sure how much Starkiller Base would have cost, it would definitely have cost much, much more. The point is, destroying them would send the galaxy into utter chaos.

I'm sure the French Resistance did a lot of property damage to Nazi materials as well. Also, whose more to blame, the group that destroyed these immoral weapons of mass destruction, or the govt. that invested large sums into them?

The Jedi are restrictive both in their use of the force,

Not intrinsically bad. A moral scientist is restrictive in his scientific research.

for any reason.

Yeah, I'm going to call researching power for 'any reason' at the very least fundamentally amoral.

The Jedi's approach leads to people being corrupt and doing bad things, betraying their fellow Jedi. 22 times has this happened so far.

22 out of millions is not that bad. Compared to the Sith which is what 2 or of 3.

And the only real shitty Sith Lord are Sidious and Vader, who are really only shitty if you believe the Empire is shitty.

The other Sith Lords were actively working to make Palpatine's reign possible, so they're just as shitty as he is.

-The Sith are individualists, they respect each other and each others' rights. The Jedi are collectivists, which while this promotes unity, they don't tolerate dissent, and the Jedi are entirely homogenous.

How many Sith are there again? Oh that's right the organization that admitted it was so shitty it could only have 2 at a time. Also, the Jedi allow Dooku and Qui-Gonn to get away with a lot of dissent, not to mention the 20 Fallen Jedi who they honor with statues.

-The Jedi tried to overthrow the republic because they were afraid they'd lose power? That's exactly what happened. No senators were afraid that they were losing power, no civilians felt opressed, the Jedi no longer had a say in the Republic. So they tried to assassinate Palpatine (without trail, mind you) because of both this and his religion (bigotry).

Did you and I watch the same movie? The Jedi were forced into the impossible choice of whether or not it was morally acceptable to commit Tyrannicide. Your wording of this seems to make me think your more playing devil's advocate than actually giving your frank view of the film.

Look at the Jedi and Sith codes.

Look at their fruits. The Sith lives shown in the films are rather miserable compared to the few Jedi we see.

The Jedi forbid love, the Sith embrace it.

The Jedi forbid attachment. There's a huge difference there. Also, once again look at the fruits. I'd say Obi-Wan Kenobi was a much more loving man than Vader or Palpatine.

-Obi Wan and Yoda abandoned Vader. They would rather have killed him than try and bring him back.

And where do you see the Sith acting better? Also, since when does not having an extraordinary amount of hope in someone's possibility for redemption make you a bad guy.

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