Communists - please answer these questions

That would take a terrifically long time, a lot of work? In capitalism this process is streamlined, but in Communism you're having a bunch of people (many of whom either have no idea what to do or would have to be educated to do) work on this project with no clear leader, no objective goals, no future plan, no anything. You just want to make goods as someone wishes they had that good, but do you not see how inefficient that would be? Would you just make 500 (for example) cars automatically and hope it's enough? What if the number of cars people want is more? What if it's less? Do you just take a shot in the dark and guess what the wanted number of goods is or do you wait for every order and then build each order individually?

It's the same as above, but worse. You'll never know how much iron ingots you need, so you'll never be able to properly prepare. Either you just decide to make them on order and get a horrible backup or you take a shot in the dark and hope you didn't over produce (a waste of your time and energy) or under produce (you have to work even harder making more ingots).

Fair enough, except you've been stressing teamwork. What if a person is lazier than the others and doesn't contribute as much work to the overall effort? In capitalism he/she'd be fired, but what in Communism?

It would take a lot of time and resources, resources that have to be made available. It would be easier for someone to just pursue their dreams and become an artist than become a car manufacturer, so I still don't understand how you'd remedy this problem. It seems like you hand wave it away. And yes, everyone will feel they need a car. Remember, they're all free now and it's everyone's duty to help one another. They'll want cars, probably even multiple.

I'm talking about manufactured and agricultural goods. You may have an abundance now, but think in a generation or even just a decade or two when your transition (let's assume) has occurred. In our society, someone who is unable to produce as much as another will end up getting a higher amount of goods/services relative to their amount of labor put into the production of the goods, which would only lead to problems. The early colonists in places like Jamestown found out the hard way of what happens when this occurs. In their case, the corn supply began decreasing as less people were adding and more people were taking from the system and eventually famine nearly broke out until they abolished the idea altogether.

We're able to get resources because of the incentive to. Oil, for example, has a high price, and although it's a lot of work to extract it, we can get a lot of reward for doing so (money, fame, etc.). Not so in Communism. But anyways, what kind of programs are you talking about? Rationing? That's the only "resource saving program" I can think of.

You honestly think a "revolution from the working class" will go that quickly, that easily? There won't be any hindrance to the plan? No counterrevolutionaries who don't want Communism, no foreign intervention, no wartime shortages and famine?

Right now there's an incentive to be good as a public safety person (whatever the term is). What's the incentive here? People may care, but everyone has a limit, and I find it hard to imagine that several years down the road, a person would want to continue working for no real reward beyond bare subsistence.

I'm talking about bartering. Like I've been saying, you wouldn't build a car for Fred for nothing. You'd want something from Fred. This could be, in your society, anything like 100 bread loafs, or something else. That's what I mean. But there's an important catch: for a lot of goods, people only need one of them. In capitalism this is remedied by constant market fluctuations, investments, and innovations/inventions. What keeps people making IPhones in Communism? You're not just going to flood the market with millions of unused phones, are you? That would be disastrous, because then no one will hold an IPhone in a high regard when someone wants to use it to get a loaf of bread.

Hahaha, right, because that's going to get people to clean toilets all day. A giant social excursion. Have you ever been on a group park cleanup? They're awful, and if I had the choice, I'd just stay home. What do you do with lazy people like me? Force me to go? That's undemocratic and repressive, isn't it?

Fair enough...but I'll stick to my gun. Who decides you're good enough to preform surgery? Currently that's the government and capitalism. If you fuck up, your customer complains and you get sued, fined, and maybe imprisoned. Does this happen in Communism? Who'd keep you form continuing practicing? I'd find it hard to imagine there'd be a plethora of certified surgeons wandering around without anything to do, ready to take the guy's place.

No I am getting it. And the transition from feudalism to capitalism was a lot longer and a lot more natural than the transition from capitalism to Communism will be from what you're saying. Capitalism is the natural process of greedy people out greedy-ing others to get access to markets, produce and sell goods, and make a profit. What's Communism? Everyone getting together to take care of a kid that's not yours? Cleaning a toilet that's not yours? Building a car for someone other than you? That's not very fun, and sooner or later it will bite you in the ass.

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