Don't willfully misconstrued. I did not state that you wanted to punish law abiding gun owners. I said that "common sense gun laws" punish gun owners that follow the law and does nothing to quell gun related violence in low-income areas. Your portrayal of what I said is grossly disingenuous.
-I didnt willfully miscontrue anything. In response to my comment you said that you don't think that gun owners should be "punished" but no one had said anything about punishing anything. Don't toss that out there and then accuse me of misconstruing, thats nonsense.
New York City has had a 30% jump in shootings and gun related crimes because, surprise surprise, criminals do not adhere to gun laws.
30% up from going extremely low, so its still quite a bit lower.
Chicago is notorious for having some of the strictest gun laws in the USA and the highest gun murder rates and shootings in the country. Low income neighborhoods (including the one I grew up in in Los Angeles, CA) suffers from gun related, gang violence on a regular basis. They exemplify the effective nature of gun regulations in such areas.
-But they are right near places that make guns very easy to access, if I make something illegal and then 5 miles away it's legal then is it really going to be effective in getting rid of it?
I've lived in counties with restrictive gun laws; Latin countries are no stranger to this.
Mexico is a country where citizens find it difficult to obtain authorization of gun ownership from the Secretariat of National Defense. Otherwise, it is illegal for civilians to own guns. However, the cartels have easy access to, big shocker, illegal guns. Mexicans have no recourse to defend themselves against violent criminals.
-Yeah, good thing the US has nowhere near the poverty rate and corruption rate of Mexico. I hardly think thats a fair comparison
Brazil has incredibly strict gun laws and a skyrocketing murder rate. Out of the 40 most murderous cities in the world, Brazil holds 19 of those cities. The current president of Brazil is already moving to overturn strict gun laws (a platform he ran on and won with) that made it difficult for citizens to arm and protect themselves from criminals.
Venezuela's gun ban in 2012 saw an increase in crime and gun violence. Much like Mexico, murder, robbery and kidnappings are a common occurrence in Venezuela.
-Please refer to my previous comment
If you'd like to dismiss Latin countries as not so "civilized" (I hope not),
No, I wouldn't, and the inference that you are making that I would is a bit insulting
we can look to European countries such as Switzerland, where the population is heavily armed but shootings of any kind are rare. Finland has a high rate of gun ownership as well with little issue. Austria, the 14th most heavily armed country in the world, Monaco, Croatia, Denmark and the like are no different.
-Yeah, I know, I lived in Switzerland. The population is armed because everyone is part of the militia and you are required to keep a gun at home, however, the bullets are held at the armory. But hey if you want to follow the extremely regulated rules of places like Denmark then I am all for that. (Denmark has the 89th most guns per person by the way) And Austria may be the 14th highest in the world but they still have 4 times more guns per person than America, so take that stat with a huge grain of salt. But I like how you mentioned a bunch of corrupt countries and then a few countries with extremely strict regulations (look up Finland also, my cousin lives there, it is not easy to get a gun, they "punish" gun owners there very strictly according to your standards)
I don't know what you saw in America, but you didn't see the areas truly affected by gun violence. People grieve over those that are injured or die in mass shooting (a rare occurrence), but no one grieves for those shot in mass and that die in neighborhoods riddled with poverty, even though the death toll out numbers that of the former.
-I saw my sister involved in a school shooting. And yeah, you are kind of making my point for me here. We have too much gun violence in America, you talking about how much we have in impoverished areas is 100% what I am saying as well.
oh, and when you say " but you didn't see the areas truly affected by gun violence." I would kindly say to fuck off. don't make assumptions like that because you know jack shit about my experiences. We are done here, I don't need to waste time on people like you who make assumptions about my experiences, insinuate that I may think think some countries arent as "civilized", and accuse me of misconstruing you. Learn how to make arguments like an adult. Goodbye.