Why don't muslims accept the principles of Liberal Secular democracy

Here we go again . . . Bismillah

I was going to answer your question's one at a time but you've dove very deep within your misunderstanding. First of all no one's going to force Islamic laws onto you as you probably don't live in an Islamic country. If the duty of a nation is to represent the values of their citizens and to create a means of life by which the people choose to live happily by then by that very statement it is wrong to reject Islamic governments that are democratically elected. If the people of the middle east wish for an Islamic government then who the hell are you to reject that.

Also you're assuming an Islamic government would be, for some reason, naturally intolerant. There's no good Islamic government as there is no good christian government. They're largely controlled by politically infused sociopathic persons who exercise a deluded form of religion. I understand that you may not know much about Islam so indeed let me inform you.

Unfortunately theirs is a westernised, watered down version of islam that is detached from the islamic scripture or jurisprudence. Their islam is only there to placate western liberals and silence anyone who argues that islam is intolerant.

What the heck? That's such a terrible argument. If the very people that devote their whole life to studying Islam and understanding it are supposed to be false then who's right. At this point you seem to be in clash with Islam not because it does anything terrible itself but merely because you want to believe that it as a giant terror-gorrila that wants to eat everyone up. Muslims who understand what Islam is and want to live in peace with their fellow human being would obviously deny that what they believe is some sort of monster that you claim it to be . Though, the very terrorists that western civilization hates would be nodding to your every statement. Those idiots want you to believe Islam is a monster and once you start preaching it yourself, you fall into their trap. Seriously dude, if you consider terrorists more credible than educated scholar I think we have a very large problem.

So in short, this forcing of dogma on people is why the best way for a society to govern its affairs that we know of is to have a secular government.

So for some reason secularism isn't a dogma? I won't refute that due to today's multicultural society it's better for a government that exhibits very inclusive values it's better to be secular and allow for large groups of people to live easier together. Though still, that doesn't undermine the values of people living in other countries. Just because someone is 'yes' for shariah doesn't mean he doesn't want to be able to live with other people in peace.

this is why western governments have succeeded while middle eastern governments have failed.

Right, you're definitely very educated on the workings of infrastructure and opportunity.

Have a nice day.

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