Eating Our Own: Deconstructing the Misogynistic Myths of Asian American Antifeminism

There are so many things wrong with this piece, which is based almost entirely on cherry-picked strawmen myths. I find a lot of people trying to reduce Asian men to alt-righters which, even on the level of a linguistic analysis is simply not true. These groups are not related.

First of all, statistics when it comes to race or gender are often bogus. I've read some excellent analysis that police brutality towards blacks, and a biased legal system against blacks, are way-exaggerated.

And I think that's wrong, because it misses the narrative of systemic oppression against blacks, the history of their race relations in the US, and their cycles of poverty. If you focus too much on numbers, you'll miss the forest for the trees, and that's what we're seeing here.

Here's a quick refutation of each point... Bearing in mind that my personal stance is that gendered politics from both Asian men and women are often toxic towards each other.

MYTH 1: Asian women have more social privilege and power in US society than Asian men.

As with all forms of "privilege", this is highly contextual. For the most part though, I agree men are more privileged than women, and since anyone in support of this article likely agrees with that, getting more in-depth on that particular point is unnecessary.

However, you'll need to deconstruct the actual pain points coming from Asian men for this argument to have any real weight. I don't think it has any.

There's a common belief that Asian men are almost synonymous with white men as far as privilege goes, and that's something that Asian men are frustrated with. We get that from both Asian progressivists (a catch-all phrase for the Asians who support this article), and implicitly from society. The latter comes from exemption from minority status. This article already clearly shows the privilege that even white women hold over Asian men, and there are research studies that show that Asian men face similar stereotypes to women in the workplace. Progressive politics has zero acknowledgement of these issues. Instead, we get articles from mass media pointing out how Asian men actually earn more than white men. We are the most negatively affected by affirmative action, we are excluded from diversity initiatives, we are exempt from race/gender-based scholarships, the list goes on. We're "basically white men."

In the former case, from Asian women, they often dismiss Asian male perspectives "because of male privilege," "because toxic masculinity." I don't deny that those things exist, but arguments often reduce to this idea (which this article reinforces), and so any criticism towards Asian women or Asian feminism is considered unwarranted and gets labeled incorrectly. The fact that pro-Asian feminists in general (ie, this thread) are trying too hard to equate these Asian men as frustrated, alt-righters who can't get laid essentially drives home my point for me.

As far as media goes, here's a very important point that gets overlooked.

Asian men face the most blatant, explicit, negative portrayal. No representation is generally better than negative representation. I can further back up this argument, but I think you're being intellectually dishonest if you say otherwise. As a specific group (excluding disabled/trans), Asian men have the worst portrayal.

That representation is rooted in the racism faced by Asian men who came to America. Asian men were the ones beaten, lynched, portrayed as emasculated and bucktoothed savages, portrayed as labor threats, and banned from marriage with white women. That's very real, and today is still embedded in the American conscious subtly, yet pervasively enough (through the media) to negatively affect the lives of Asian boys growing up.

MYTH 2: Asian feminists do not seriously resist White supremacy, and are largely focused instead on criticizing Asian American men.

This is an exaggerated claim and therefore useless.

There are pockets of evidence for this though, enough to warrant a weak claim. Mindy Kaling gets praised for her show, but Aziz Ansari is criticized for dating white women (despite the fact that he has dated women of all colors, including Indian, and has featured an episode dedicated to the love life of a gay black women, etc). Prominent Asian male figures like John Cho and Jeremy Lin were criticized for speaking up about Asian male issues at the expense of Asian women. Reappropriate has, well... this article, and blaming Elliot Rodgers on toxic Asian male masculinity.

No I don't think Asian feminists are secretly scheming to erase Asian men from the gene pool. Yes I do think they need to work on how they talk about Asian men.

MYTH 3: There is an epidemic of Asian women who refuse to date Asian men.

Again, exaggerated, and back to my numbers point -- the numbers don't matter.

There is no literal epidemic of rape, no epidemic of police going around shooting blacks, or any of these commonly held beliefs.

That doesn't mean they are not relevant.

That doesn't deny the experience of your own mother or sisters or Asian female friends degrading your race and gender. Black women share similar experiences coming from black men. This is not a contestable point. And it's often a major catalyst for these fringe groups of Asian men who detest Asian feminism, not because of any statistics, but from their direct experience with Asian women.

MYTH 4: Asian women’s attraction to White men is built on internalized racism.

This part of the article is not even worth addressing because of how pointless his arguments are.

This is not a myth, but I will say that Asian men who use this argument often use it because it fits conveniently with the overall progressive Asian-American narrative (using their words against them). It's a true statement, but it's too weaponized for me to give it any real weight, especially when Asian men (including gay ones) are often subject to the same problem.

MYTH 5: Asian feminists have no right to tell Asian men how to be men.

That's right. You don't. You lost the privilege to talk about toxic Asian male masculinity when you cried wolf and started labeling everything as toxic masculinity, and equating every discussion on this topic as misogynist, anti-feminist, and alt-right.

Time to move forward.

/r/asianamerican Thread Link - reappropriate.co