Europeans Laugh as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov Talks Ukraine

I'm posting this in two parts because it exceed the character limit - Part 1

There were Russian troops in Crimea, the Russian government has admitted as much.

Of course there were. They have been in Crimea longer than Texas has been part of the USA. And Putin never denied it, so he never "admitted" it either. In fact (and I will copy this from a comment I posted on another thread earlier today):

Russia’s Foreign Ministry said Moscow had informed Ukraine that it would be moving armored units from its Black Sea navy base in the city of Sevastopol deeper into Crimean territory to protect its operations.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ukraine-calls-russian-troops-invasion/2014/02/28/e066bfc8-a0be-11e3-878c-65222df220eb_story.html

However, Russia's Black Sea fleet, which operates out of Sevastopol, said its troops have not taken any action at the military airport.

But it did say that it had stepped up measures by its "anti-terror units" to protect areas where parts of the fleet were located in Crimea and the living quarters of service personnel and families "given the unstable situation".

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On Thursday, Ukraine warned Russia that any troop movements outside its Sevastapol base would be seen as an act of aggression. Russia has said it will protect the rights of its "compatriots" in the region, and act "strongly and uncompromisingly" if they are violated.

http://www.channel4.com/news/ukraine-airports-military-russia-soldiers-armed-occupation

You will note that both of those links point to western media articles (one US, one UK) and both were posted on February 28 2014.

Putin actually told Ukraine and the whole world what his troops were doing in Crimea. He never denied it. That is purely a western media attempt to rewrite history.

There are Russian troops in The Donbass.

No, there are Russians in Donbass. Just like there is at least one American fighting for the pro-Russian rebels:

This is 'Hunter', the American man fighting for pro-Russian rebels in Eastern Ukraine (but he only speaks English and has 'limited' understanding of the political conflict)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2774542/Meet-Hunter-The-American-man-fighting-pro-Russian-rebels-Eastern-Ukraine-speaks-English-limited-understanding-political-conflict.html

There has never been any proof of active duty Russian troops fighting in Ukraine.

That right should also be carried out in accordance to Ukrainian and international law via a free and fair, democratic referendum.

Which they held - while being attacked by their own "government". Remember what the "justification" for the "revolution" was? The US puppet government has killed far more Ukrainians than Yanukovych's government did.

Creating an insurrection and invading a foreign country with troops not dressed in regulation uniforms

Never happened. Those "troops" were Crimeans and Ukrainians. The best you can say is that Russia has been arming and equipping the rebels in Ukraine, just like the US has been arming the rebels in Syria.

it's also illegal under international law.

Well, lucky the US refuses to ratify the ICC then, huh? Just about everything the US does is against international law. No one seems to care about it.

Do you have anything to back up this statement, by the way?

If you're referring to the claim that a Russian invasion would crush Ukraine in a matter of days, I will simply refer you to Georgia. The US spent 6 years training and equipping the Georgian military. They were completely routed in under five days. And Georgia is hell of a lot further away from Russian tank bases than Ukraine.

It's a known military tactic, and it's particularly useful in areas where the local population may be hostile to a foreign invasion.

Yes, but in this case the local population are anything but hostile to Russian aid. They've been screaming for it since their own government started bombing them.

By they way, that "anti-terrorist operation" was launched days after the Director of the CIA met with the Ukrainian "government" in secret. What a coincidence!

WASHINGTON, April 14 (Reuters) - The White House on Monday warned that Russia would face more "costs" for its interventions in Ukraine and confirmed that the director of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, John Brennan, was in Kiev over the weekend.

"We don't normally comment on the CIA director's travel but given the extraordinary circumstances in this case and the false claims being leveled by the Russians at the CIA we can confirm that the director was in Kiev as part of a trip to Europe," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/john-brennan-ukraine_n_5147869.html

Note: The Russian media told the world about this secret visit. Also, note the date.

11:51AM BST 15 Apr 2014

Ukraine has begun what it calls an "anti-terrorist operation" to root out pro-Russian "separatists" in the east of the country, The Telegraph can confirm.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10767005/Ukraine-launches-anti-terrorist-operation-in-the-east.html

Very interesting timing, is it not?

You've made statements in the past such as this

I assume you mean this:

Funnily enough the Russian media has been much more honest than the American media.

Which I proved above. The Russian media told the world about the CIA directors secret visit to Ukraine, not the US media. The US media only tried to explain it away after the US government was forced to admit it.

or this

I can take Kiev in two weeks, Vladimir Putin warns European leaders

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11069070/I-can-take-Kiev-in-two-weeks-Vladimir-Putin-warns-European-leaders.html

I've just proved everything I said in that comment is true.

(particularly that part about the Russian military being the best at the world at black ops)

Funny, either you can't read or you are intentionally trying to deceive. Here is what I actually said:

The Russians are some of the best in the world at carrying out "black ops".

That is an acknowledged fact. In fact that's what the west is claiming they are doing right now in Ukraine... remember?

or this

Is Georgia part of NATO like the US was promising? Did the US send any help to Georgia when the Russians were kicking their ass in 4 days (that part I proved in a link above). What part of that comment do you dispute, and where is your evidence?

(you forgot to mention that Russia, just as the US, is not a party to the Rome Statute and therefore not subject to the ICC as well).

Funny, I'm pretty damn sure I was talking about the US courts:

It simply means the people the US attacks and subjugates are prevented from seeking legal redress in the US courts.

Why yes, I was!

The Russians made Crimeans Russian citizens. That means they have all the rights and privileges on Russian citizenship, including redress of grievances in Russian courts. The US has not offered US citizenship to any of the people whose nations it is currently occupying.

Or do you care to dispute that?

I could go on and on.

Yeah, but you should stop while you're behind.

Is this you fighting Western propaganda, or is it just Russian propaganda?

Well, considering every one of my claims has been backed up with western media sources, and you, the American, have been utterly wrong every fucking time, I guess I was right to say I am fighting American propagada.

Booyah, bitch! You never saw that coming, Did you?

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