[FR] 2 F-closes in one weekend, with major LMR

But the main problem with your argument about the "game" or this sub in general is that we're all just in it to coerce and deceive in order to jump into bed with women. Which is not true for the most part.

A lot of the guys on this sub, or in the community, are coming from a background where they were never properly taught how to interact with women. We all learned from other females, and from movies and tv, which has pumped very incorrect methods, on how to interact and win over women we want, into our core.

And trust me, I've done my share of it. I've done the romantic thing, and been the friend, listened to stories of other guys who were nowhere near my "niceness". The problem is, I could also say that my "niceness" before was in its own way selfish and deceiving, because I was just trying to win over the girl I wanted at that time.

Now, I'm not saying that I'm no longer nice. Not at all, and honestly my "game" is more of a clearer representation of myself. The guy that I am when I'm around comfortable people, that's the real me, the honest me. And that's what I try and pull out during my interactions with women, and it's been working wonders. That's seduction, the freedom of outcome (not caring about what happens with the girl) but also being honest about what I want (whether it be some girl's attention or sex). There is no deception in that, it's honest, and most guys on this sub are rejected constantly because the women do not want anything, which is fine too.

These "rapey vibes" are just an honest projection of our inner thoughts. It's not that they're rapey, it's that it comes off as aggressive or manipulative, but most often we're trying to fight our own inner urges to fall back to being that friendly nice guy who never won the girl over. It's like we're navigating the situation out of a maze that is walled with social boundaries and fear that are propped up by comments like yours.

Women like for a man to be in control of his own emotions, and of a situation. If they felt threatened or scared at any moment, they could easily leave. Girls aren't dumb either, they know that if I invite them over to my place and it's late at night, the subtext is that something might happen (obviously without hurting and with complete compliance of the girl).

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