To me the whole embarrassing humiliation aspect seems SO un organic. Most of my earliest memories of MFMs ( and MMFs for that matter) have happened at the end of a rager party, rehearsal or show ( I play music) and if you look up and everyone in the room is attractive fun, lovable and down we would just start. No one was ever conquering re reclaiming or being humiliated or comparing dick sizes ( ok we maybe sometimes compared dick sizes lol... IN FUN ). In General it would be people we knew had been close to and it just develops to the next level in..... and this is a big part of my kink ...indulgence and abandon. It seems so much more harmonious and symbiotic and constructive and positive. rather than " COME Beast fuck my kids mom and tell me what a loser I am for letting you" like.... bruh.... Which isn't to say that role playing it with prior notice counted be fun like..." hey guys lets all get together Saturday and Let Eric direct traffic this time" but when the humiliation and humiliation and degredation is the MAIN point or a prerequisite to playing at all. I just cant see vibing that as sustainable ... for ME.