Goku vs Kefla

Bloody hell, you still wanna do this even after a month? I only come back to this debate because you were bragging about how I quit the debate when in fact I just realized that we’re going in circles and it was best to agree to disagree.

So if you want to stop this let’s just agree to disagree and move on.

No she was not. No way in hell was she keeping up with him.

She was able to block a punch from him wasn’t she?

And after being enraged she was able graze him with her attacks,

I originally said that a fresh, non-fatigued Goku Blue Kaio-ken x2 would overpower SS Kefla and by extension a fresh, non-fatigued Goku Blue Kaio-ken x4 would overpower SS2 Kefla. She is not Blue Kaio-ken x10 or x20 level.

Oh please don’t start with the whole fatigue nonsense.

Gokú was fatigued throughout the entire tournament post episode 110.

That doesn’t mean that a non fatigued SSBKKX20 Goku would be able to perform better against Jiren than ultra instinct omen Goku did in episode 129 who again stated to have the exact same problem as UIO Goku from episode 116 but surprise surprise he was still above the SSBKKX20 Goku that preceded him.

The whole Goku is fatigued thing was made even more into a joke at the end of Super where a “fatigued “ base Goku who couldn’t even transform to a form that he had mastered a decade ago was able to overcome a less fatigued Jiren who seconds prior overpowered both Golden Freeza and 17 ( who doesn’t get tired by the way) the word fatigued is meaningless in the tournament of power.

Another example of this is God Toppo vs SSBE Vegeta.

Beerus: Oh no Vegeta used all of his power to defeat Toppo he barely has any power left.

Vegeta literally goes SSBE in the next episode without even resting for a second and fights Jiren.

And if Kefla gets enraged it’s unlikely that SSBKKX4 would be able to handle her given the fact she went from being barely able to keep with UIO Goku to having enough power to kill him so it most have been quite the leap in power.

As for why I believe the beams are stronger than the laser that’s easy to answer.

Kefla was confident that the beam was going to finish UIO Goku off so it most have been at the very least equal to the lasers and since it’s a last ditch effort it shouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that it is stronger than the lasers.

Goku surpassed his old Blue Kaio-ken x20 self when he went Blue against Kefla. SS Kefla was described to have the power that rivals the spirit bomb and Goku Blue was matching her so he must off as well. If he didn't, then Kefla didn't.

Nope.

The Kefla that was stated to be that strong was the one who powered up to fight SSBKKX Goku and knocked him out.

Not the Kefla that was holding back against SSB Goku.

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