I got to see my wife tonight. First ECT treatment early tomorrow.

I understand that you failed yourself and your path toward getting better. Yes, it wasn't fair- you face obstacles many don't, you faced daunting and damaging setbacks at the hands of others... but if you choose to remain broken rather than continue to work to put yourself together and truly accept help when needed, then that is on you. One must take an active role in growth- even after setback or imperfection and pain- to move past it, but instead doing the opposite is to prefer to stay in that same place of years past and blame 'others', in this case the mental health system. Does that sound healthy or productive?

If I were to go to the hospital and one nurse messed up and gave me the wrong medicine or didn't help my condition in the absolute best way (or even mistreat me), should I then give up on getting better? (Many mental health issues end up being fatal without professional help) Should I then attack anyone who is seeking medical help and/or striving to get better? Should I attack and stop those people who would accept and receive better care and recovery than I let myself- should I prevent that? I believe such attacks are only a weak attempt at self justification of failure and surrender to one's circumstances (without dealing with them). How about if I take that now stinted self-awareness and development and use them as a weapon to try to pull down anyone else who may be able to receive useful professional mental help? Many of your 'victims' may actually surpass what you made yourself capable of and they may: ACCEPT reality, ACCEPT help, ACCEPT responsibility in their own development- even ACCEPT that they were mistreated/hurt then move past and grow beyond that. How is that helping anyone except you further build your own denial. The only thing you are doing is burying your own head farther in the sand, fortifying the wall you unknowingly built to keep yourself from 'getting better' and hurting other people who are doing the best they can. It reads to me as someone wishing to justify their weakness and 'prove' it by dragging others into their own personal (and personally constructed) hell. That doesn't sound useful and it sounds like an exhausting ruse and unsatisfying existence.

I really am sorry, I really do hope you can achieve greater health and help. Yes, I read your threat of suicide elsewhere in this thread. I really wish that you didn't build such unmindful denial against receiving help, because you very clearly need help (and Lord knows there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT). Your feelings and hurt are justified- they DID break you- but it is up to you to continue putting the pieces back together. I do understand that people are not perfect, nurses in these facilities can be unjust or abusive as was my experience in jail with guards. Life isn't fair, people are imperfect and these systems have people in them. I am sorry about that and I wish you weren't mistreated- it isn't fair, but if you wish to fortify perceived and real injustice into something that keeps you from stable mental health you are hurting yourself more than anyone you attack and even more than "they" hurt you.

You deplore the 'stealing' of freedom from those who are desperately in need of help- yet you just cried out for attention and threatened to fling yourself from a bridge. THAT is exactly why sometimes it is necessary to take freedom from the ill, why these places exist- to save and protect patients from themselves while trying to help patients achieve a healthier life, outlook, coping, regulation, and future. We don't let people murder. Those 'normal' people you say never get 'locked up' or whatever, yea they do. If they ruin someone's life (even just their own- with drugs and those consequences), behave badly, or murder someone they will be locked up as well (and in my experience in the two, jail was A LOT WORSE than inpatient care- jeeze a lot worse). Why should we stand by while someone murders themselves? Why should the ill be allowed to break the rules that 'normal' people are not? Especially under the greater auspice of saving them from themselves long enough to help them achieve greater health and a desire for change- as well as holding their hand down the hard path of recovery. Why would you believe that it is right to support the destruction of this- let alone support cruel attacks and lies against those diligently putting themselves in that system for help?

No one here is supporting or conveying that this man's wife or other people in need of help is or will be or should be needlessly or ever:

[held] against their will, beat them, drug them, abuse them, tell them they should hurry up and die

You are quite literally delusional if you really believe that is the goal or normal operation of mental health facilities. Is it possible that attacking with that delusion is an attempt to justify and convince yourself that you shouldn't even try to 'get better' or accept help? It reads like a ploy to defend why one isn't strong enough to truly work at recovery and instead resort to a way they can 'blame' someone other than themselves to be justified as they stagnate in self-pity.

I doubt you will find a person alive who hasn't faced hard times, trials, and injustice or abuse at the hands of others. I did and I still do, so do you- you likely even feel I have done so to you. I don't wish to harm you, I don't hate you, I WANT you to be healthier and happier, but I recognize the same stretch for justification and someone to blame when I first went to jail (I didn't really change in the mental health system- but that was MY fault, I wasn't ready until I lost more and accepted a more honest perspective, reality, and responsibility). Eventually I got to the point where I could look at the system and the ways it failed me (I got pretty royally screwed by the way), I accepted that unfair things happened, that people had treated me like shit, that life wasn't fair, and then I grabbed ahold of myself and everything I DO have power over and I changed me and how I live in that world. I made myself willing to drop denial, to accept help (and that people and help is imperfect), but mostly I took a stand not to accept where I was or stay there. Do you not see the allure to avoid such thinking and the value of struggling to hold it? It was much easier to pity myself, blame the system and not face my actions/consequences before or in the present and future that could build myself a better life.

You may feel like you are taking "the harder path" but how can you be sure you aren't sitting still in the path of least resistance? It is very easy to blame others and avoid change. Change is hard as is taking responsibility for ourselves. Yet they are very important.

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