rather than post lurid details, i'll share some advice on getting lots of action while still stuck having to be religious. reputation is everything, so your best chance it being an outsider, so if you are outgoing and attractive enough - always go for the girls outside your community. so holiday vacation trips, specialty courses and weekend conclaves where several communities may combine is your best chance for people to loosen up on you. once you find a find an comfortable isolated spot don't expect more than heavy petting and kissing. wait till you clearly notice she's hot or he's hard before getting more aggressive otherwise you risk a short circuit and they chicken out. ortho jews are very self body conscious, so your goal to be to get under their clothing, not get them out of it. if you think you have a shot at intercourse, i'd hold off till you get a better second chance as most open to it were date raped and now figure since they've lost their virginity already, why not - it can be a pathetic head trip, not a mutually enjoyable experience.