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You've taken the most extreme actions many would argue are counter-religious (mutilation, stake burning) as side-effects of prayer.

Of course, because they are obvious low hanging fruit. But we can look at more subtle issues: How about time lost? How much productivity is lost in Islamic daily prayer? Hundreds of millions yearly at least I should think. Or how about fasting, how does discomfort count in our cost assessment? An unwillingness to receive blood transfusions? Real estate dedicated to sites of worship? Impossible to quantify unnecessary cultural tension?

Its beyond ignorant to say you aren't pushing your opinion.

Of course I'm pushing my opinion, call it habit from when I can't have you tell me what it is. But it isn't all anti-religious, I'm also against homeopathy!

Like I said, im am neither religious nor atheist.

Interesting, that would seem to be a dichotomy. Perhaps you are using different definitions than I would, but I don't see why your personal beliefs have to come into this discussion so repeatedly. After all, have I ever stated what my personal stance on religion is or have you just extrapolated from my statements regarding prayer?

I don't know why acknowledging the ineffectiveness of prayer should lead you to classify me as a religion-hating atheistic activist, but it seems clear you have done so.

Should violence be considered a side effect of money, then? Clearly some people use it to ill effect.

Money is just a placeholder for wealth but I can see arguments that excessive concentrations of wealth beget violence; you wouldn't be doing anyone favors by tossing piles of cash into a crowd for example. I wouldn't call it an intrinsic issue with wealth but rather a problem with its application. Similarly I don't think the placebo effect is intrinsically bad, but I do think there are issues with its use in homeopathy and prayer.

If you care, my point is that if we acknowledge that both prayer and homeopathy are equally ineffective in their direct application, then I would say that the infrastructure required for prayer is more costly than that required for homeopathy, and therefore knowingly perpetuating the ruse is more damaging and less moral on the side of prayer than homeopathy. Of course if someone believes in them I can't really fault their intentions, only their lack of rigor.

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