'Hostages taken' in French church by 2 armed men- BBC News

And that's why the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan basically had no effect on the political situation in the Middle East. The whole region was as peaceful and stable before, as it was after.

Totally not America's fault. Not. At. All.

Furthermore: You seem to be saying is that during the time of colonialism and after WWII, at the end of colonialism, Europe did some things which were not smart and which caused a lot of political strife. You are right about that.

Sadly, in the 70 years that have gone by since then the tribal and religious groups in the area have not gotten their shit together. You would think that, if nobody is happy with the state of the borders in the area, there would be some way to solve that problem in a reasonable manner, right? You could, for example, hold a referendum if you want to leave a political body. I heard the British did that recently with Scotland.

That causes me to ask myself: Why do things like those, democratic and peaceful solutions to such problems, not happen in that region? Some stupid Europeans drew the borders wrongly 70 years ago? Redraw them, maybe? That would solve the problem, right?

I am sure you are right, and it's not the fault of the US that things like that do not happen: The situation in the Middle East is a result of Europe, taking action there 70 or so years ago.

It has absolutely nothing to do with some country's oil policy which, over the course of the Cold War and beyond, caused it to support theocratic regimes (in opposition to democratically elected governments), militiaristic regimes, radical Islamic resistance fighters, dubious monarchies... Who are all not very interested in solving the problems of ethical and religious separation. Well, they are interested in solving that problem by violence and suppression. But the US never would, and never has supported such regimes, right?

I mean, even if the US played their part in all those shady nondemocratic, violent political upheavals (hypothetically speaking), it could be worse. It could express continuous support for a state in the region, which suppresses its original population and favors its newly immigrated and religiously distinct population, continuously fueling hatred for the West in the area.

I am sure those policies have no bearing on the current problem of a violent, political Islam. It was not the US. After all they were hardly involved in the Middle East at all. Right?

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