How is nobody talking about how cov1d patients only die in the hospital?

It's not logic, it's nonsense, and it's lacking in any critical thought what so ever.

Despite what the vaccine hesitant will espouse, if you're unvaccinated you're more likely to

Spread the virus

Be hospitalized

Be symptomatic or experience moderate to severe symptoms

Carry a higher viral load / become more infectious.

Carry the virus for a longer period of time

DIE

Also, it's important to note that the Covid Vaccines are more effective at preventing infection, or "reinfection" than what some would call "natural immunity" (see reply), mind you, in order to obtain this "natural immunity" you first also have to take the risk of catching the virus (so fucking stupid). And even under these conditions, as I note in my reply to this comment, "natural immunity" is a more volatile defense.

You'll find countless anti-vaxxers reiterating things like "viral loads are the same for the unvaccinated vs the vaccinated", which fails to take several considerations into account, and while studies have shown similarities there are some very significant factors to consider. This is seemingly the case with the Delta variant, a variant that produces a viral load almost 1,000 times higher than ancestral strains. But more importantly, the similarities in viral loads between vaccinated and unvaccinated were found among those that were experiencing "breakthrough cases" while vaccinated. So not only is Delta incredibly more infectious, which may contribute to these equivalencies, you have to be a rare "breakthrough" case to carry a similar viral load. Those currently experiencing breakthrough cases represent less than 1% of the vaccinated. This means that because most who are vaccinated avoid infection, or are asymptomatic comparatively to the unvaccinated, you are less likely to see that viral load capacity as a vaccinated individual. Also, it's likely that a large percentage of these breakthrough cases that are being examined are among vaccinated individuals who have had to recognize some symptom, a symptom a part of a symptomatic infection, and a symptomatic infection more likely to yield a higher viral load in the first place. What are the viral load figures of those that are vaccinated, developed some threshold or baseline of an infection, but didn't notice, didn't get tested, because the vaccine did it's job? What if we compared viral load of baseline infections in the vaccinated to viral loads in the unvaccinated? We are sure to see a disparity. Mind you, because the vaccinated are much less likely to develop symptoms, data around the vaccinated is probably heavily skewed towards the risks than what reality actually suggests. To sum it up, because breakthrough cases are less likely among the vaccinated than are cases of infection among the unvaccinated, you are less likely to carry the same viral load when coming into contact with the virus. Mind you, understanding viral load isn't as simple as just comparing one person's infection to another, there are a number of variables involved. Like where and how they contracted the virus. How much of it did they come into contact with? What strain? What level of symptoms? Among other things.

But also consider this, those who are unvaccinated who are infected with the virus, have a much greater chance of developing symptomatic infection. They're much more likely to develop moderate to severe symptoms, are more likely to be hospitalized, and are more likely to die. So you have to consider that in these circumstances the unvaccinated are more likely to develop coughing, sneezing, and other symptomatic methods of spread. They're also more likely to end up in a hospital where they could continue to spread the virus, particularly around others who are also infected. They may also be less likely to wear a mask, or to take precautions and guidelines seriously to begin with. while they're also more capable of experiencing symptoms and carrying the virus for a longer period of time. The longer the symptoms last, the longer you carry the virus, the more opportunity you have to spread the virus. This all contributes to the greater notion that the unvaccinated are incredibly more likely to spread Covid...

I'd like to address the sentiment or rationalization of "Well what's the point if the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting Covid". This is a fundamentally flawed assertion. You see, it's not the purpose of vaccinations to prevent you from coming into contact with the virus indefinitely, that's the only real way to prevent people from becoming "infected". A vaccine doesn't put a magical barrier around you that deflects viral particles. And neither does any vaccine for that matter. Vaccines actually prepare your body for it to come into contact with the virus. Prepare it for a possible infection. So in the end it's not about entirely protecting you from the virus itself. The phraseology and sentiment of "the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting Covid, so what's the point", is one that's either misinformed, or short sighted. That's not the point, and never has been. The vaccine prepares your immune system to defend itself effectively against oncoming infection. And no vaccine has ever been 100% effective, meaning that at some point in time, some vaccinated person is going to develop symptoms, particularly if the effort to vaccinate is mitigated by well.. The unvaccinated.By asking this inane question, all you're doing is failing to understand one fundamental purpose of vaccination. To simplify it, it's not about whether or not you "catch" the virus, but about your bodies learned response to that virus, and the overall efficaciousness of that response. It's impossible to prevent people from "catching" the virus, because it's impossible to prevent people from coming into contact with it (to an extent of course, but especially in America) Mind you, the more unvaccinated people there are, the greater the overall chance of said contact.

So again, as an unvaccinated person, not only are you MORE likely to carry a higher viral load, you're more likely to experience symptoms, more likely to experience more severe symptoms, there's a greater chance you'll end up hospitalized, a greater chance you'll die. There's also a greater chance for you to experience symptoms for a longer period of time, and let's face it, a greater chance that you'll probably not wear a mask, follow guidelines or take extra precautions (more hand washing), socially distance, or avoid large gatherings. There's also a greater chance you'll be sneezing, coughing, sniffling, dripping etc... And while experiencing these things there's probably a greater risk that you're not going to change your daily habits, you're not going to give in to some "common flu"... All of these things add up to one important conclusion, that as an unvaccinated individual you are incredibly more likely to spread the virus to others.

And with all of this in mind, there's something else to consider, as an unvaccinated person you're more likely to spread the virus to other unvaccinated people, particularly compared to a vaccinated person spreading it to another vaccinated person. You also have to consider the fact that sometimes, but not always, unvaccinated people are more often spending time with similarly unvaccinated people. So couple this with the fact that the unvaccinated are simply "better spreaders", you can start to immediately understand why this doesn't just concern YOU.

With all of the aforementioned information considered, intentionally remaining unvaccinated, and therefor more likely to spread the virus, along with all other likelihoods that improve chances for the virus itself to remain unmitigated, you are knowingly creating a greater risk to the general public. And not just the risk of death, what a lot of anti-vaccine persons fail to consider is that the consequences of a pandemic aren't just measured in deaths. With your negligence and your contributing to increased spread among a host of other risks you reinforce, you're also impacting the endless amount of other variables and consequences that this virus has given rise to.

Measuring impacts from a virus, a pandemic, solely based on death counts is irrational. When thinking about how a pandemic impacts our world, there is so much more to consider than just deaths. Including but not limited to things like the impacts from severe symptoms of the virus, the long term effects from moderate to severe symptoms, long hauler conditions, hospitalizations, infectiousness or level of contagiousness of said virus, the probability of new variants, longevity of the pandemic itself, it's monetary cost and impact, on the individual, on society, how quality of life is impacted, how the livelihoods of those infected are impacted, inflation rates, travel, tourism, profit margins and revenue, jobs, housing, government spending, legislation, a pandemic's impact on global manufacturing, production, logistics, supply and demand... Among countless other variables.

the "logic" here is that your choice to remain unvaccinated doesn't just concern YOU... That's reality.

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