How Is it possible to have a coherent discussion of gender and gendered oppression using modern terminology?

First, to clear up, terms like "transgendered" and "transgenderism" are rather antiquated terms and many trans people find them offensive. I'm not trying to get you with a "gotcha" or anything but it might help you get a better response.

I was unaware of that and I apologize. Do you know of any other better words that I could use instead? I really didn't intend to cause harm or offense.

I don't want to make any assumptions, but I'm getting the feeling you think a persons gender identity is a choice.

I don't think it's a choice, but I do find the modern view of gender identity very hard to understand to the point that I'm not even sure how one could properly assess one's own gender identity, short of using presence or absence of dysphoria as a metric which tends to be widely frowned upon.

If a nonbinary person is amab, attrcted to women and uses he/him pronouns, i would wager he does have an amount of male privilege.

What would you say of the reverse case out of curiosity? If there was a cis man who was majorly gender nonconforming in many noticeable ways and presented himself in ways that were seen as effeminate and outside the male gender norm does he still occupy a privileged position even though his gender expression would be heavily attacked and frowned upon? Could non gender conforming cis men ultimately be said to be a marginalized group under patriarchal society?

This is gendered descrimination. The only reason why he's being treated this way is because he is nonbinary.

I mean couldn't it be said that by publicly identifying himself as NB he is at least in that small way *not* presenting himself as male in that context, and that therefore the cause of the discrimination is still how he *presents* his gender rather than how he identifies? Of course obviously it would be a sort of "damned if I do, damned if I don't" situation since repressing one's true identity can have negative consequences as well so it would still ultimately be a very relevant factor but could it still ultimately be said that it's the presentation not the identity that directly results in the discrimination in that case?

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