If you had the ability to travel to hell

Because I've been using the term Flavius Brocephus with my friends a bit lately and it's on the brain. That and I only mention it because it's an era appropriate history that puts a Christian community in Jerusalem by the destruction of the temple.

Simon bar Jonas left his job, his boat, his family, bummed around Galilee for years, got into with Temple cops, saw his mentor and friend get arrested. Likely helped bury the guy. Hid out with his buddies until a mutual friend told him someone stole the body. Couple days later, came back to tell the world that Jesus was alive...but different. Ran a commune for a while, while still telling this unbelievable story about how his buddy was not only the promised Messiah despite not having fulfilling the popular expectations with the rest of the guts still around to correct him if necessary. Broke up the commune, him and his crew scattered to the edges of the known world. He went to tell the capital of the universe for all intents and purposes to tell their longtime colonial masters they killed God, but that's OK. Got arresyed a couple times. He got the one of the nastiest forms of execution they have for his trouble. Assuming all that is true, and why would you doubt it, either the guy is nuts or he's got incredibly good reason to do it.

Saul of Tarsus had a cushy life with the temple hunting Christians. He had Roman citizenship. Chucked his job to join the team who guys he had previously helped bludgeon to death. As a Jew had to bum around the near East mostly crashing on couches of Greek gentiles while speaking of another Jew he never met befote thr Crucifixion being the Savior of the world. For his efforts, he went to jail a few times, and end the end was beheaded. He never had a family.

No other religions have founders that argued something so alien to their prexiisting prejudice and got so little in this life to show for it that I ever heard of. Either theyre nuts or theyre right. Many of the greatest minds of the last two millennia have expanded on their sysyem and say theirs something to it. It's so counterintuitive to what would actually help in the secular world that it should have died in the last 2000yrs. I can't find the quote, but basically if the Church wasn't from God it wouldn't last two weeks seems pretty accurate from where I am.

Maybe they crazy, but as of right now it's the best explanation I've got for why things are and how they should be.

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