Jeremy Corbyn's three sons pen a letter about their dad and his treatment in the media: "We've never seen a politician to be smeared and vilified so much"

I confronted you with a source and quotes regarding corbyn’s presence at a ceremony which praised the murder of innocent Israelis. You labeled this as the Jewish community being upset.

I never claimed there were not other events that the Jewish community was upset about. The question was essentially "name one thing Corbyn apologised for". I named one thing that he apologised for.

As for his involvement with Palestinians at events commemorating the deaths of various Palestinians who I accept may have been accurately described as terrorists. You do realise that Jeremy Corbyn spent time with various people who could accurately be described as terrorists in Ireland right? That because of the diplomatic efforts of people like Jeremy Corbyn the Good Friday Agreement was achieved and there has been an unprecedented level of peace ever since? Why do you believe that a man who has dedicated his life to peace and empathy is visiting Palestinians to encourage terrorism?

Then you deflected from this in an attempt to preach to me about the “nakba”, and “ethnic cleansing” of Palestinians.

I didn't deflect. I just find that discussing the nakba is a pretty good way to get a read on a person. If a person denies that the founding Israelis committed an ethnic cleansing then you can tell that they are biassed in favour of Israel. If a person cannot accept that between two armed anti-Semitic Palestinian revolts, the holocaust, and various other anti-Semitism throughout history. That the actions of the founding Israeli's is not entirely unreasonable then they clearly have an anti-Israel or potentially even anti-Semitic bias.

All the while totally disregarding the 750,000 Jews who were forced to flee Arab states after Israel’s independence,

I'm somewhat aware of the history of the area so your accusations of my ignorance are in bad faith. I'm not totally disregarding the 750,000 Jews who were forced to flee Arab states after Israel ethnically cleansed Palestinians from Israel. I think they were mainly innocent victims of bigotry as well. Though I'm not entirely sure what you are arguing. That two ethnic cleansings make a right?

in which the surrounding Arab armies invaded Israel in an attempt to destroy it as well as any notion of partition.

That's a pretty biassed account. Israel didn't democratically declare independence. They ethnically cleansed Palestinians from their homes and occupied their land. Those people fled to those neighbouring countries were then armed and sent back with the support of those countries. I fully accept the right of Israel to exist but I say that with the luxury that I do not have to give up my home and country to make it a reality. That you chastise people for trying to defend themselves from a military occupation comes across as fairly bigoted.

You also failed to mention the indigenous Jewish population that was present long before Israel’s creation in 1948.

Why do I need to mention that? I take it as a given.

You suggest that Israel is illegally occupying land, yet Jordan was controlling the West Bank before 1967, when Israel preemptively struck the amassing Arab armies on its borders.

Because there is? I mean even if you accept the original Nato partitions. Israel has expanded itself several times since. And even if you accept that Israel now has sovereignty over expanded borders. Then the IDF make frequent excursions to bulldoze houses outside their borders. It seems rather expansionist.

I also love how you justify Israel firing the first shot as "preemptively struck". As though it's not normal for nations to have military drills and war games that may include preparations for a hypothetical war with a bordering nation.

Though let's assume they were going to invade and Israel's call to preemptively strike was the correct one. Then the question is what was the motivation of Jordan. So I look back and back and get to one event that might seem to motivate them. The Nakba. A topic you seem to want avoid discussing by coming up with various tangentially related topics that occurred after.

Israel has offered land for peace in the past in it has worked. Israel accepted UN partition in 1947 and the Palestinians rejected it, and subsequently rejected every following peace agreement without a counteroffer. I put it to you, where are the Palestinian negotiators? Why does the current Palestinian government pay stipends to terrorists who violently attack innocent Israelis?

But that's the thing right? From a Palestinian perspective Israel is an occupation. In the same way from a British perspective the IRA are terrorists, from an Irish perspective they could be seen as just soldiers fighting a guerilla war against an occupying state.

And specifically to the "I put it to you, where are the Palestinian negotiators?" I ask you to revaluate what Jeremy Corbyn. A life long pacifist and civil rights activist. Might have been doing there. That perhaps instead of calling him an anti-Semite you might want to use him as some kind of mediator rather than accuse him of inciting and celebrating terrorism.

Do you suggest that terrorism against Israelis, is not in fact terrorism?

I'm a pacifist. I claimed that going to war with Afghanistan and Iraq would not make the UK any safer. Now that we face terrorist attacks from people who are incited by those wars I'm inclined to believe that we are indeed less safe because of our actions. Are the people killed by these terrorists innocent? Yes. But our country as a whole most certainly isn't. From analogy to that perspective are there Palestinian terrorists? Yes. But is Israel as a state in some ways responsible for that terrorism? Yes. Kind of comes back to the Nakba doesn't it. I'd really like your opinion on the Nakba. Seems kind of crucial to this discussion.

Then you suggested that Israel’s (you mean Jewish) presence is a result of other conflicts in the area, a common anti-Israel and anti-Semitic trope.

I don't get what you mean. Could you please expand on this?

Finally, you are asking me how Palestinians aren’t innocent in the context of the initial comment, which I posted about celebrating violence against innocent Israelis.

Celebrating violence against innocent Israelis or advocating peaceful protest amongst those who have historically sought violence and trying to form diplomatic relationships with them instead?

Not once did I mention that Palestinians are or aren’t innocent. Yet you strive to demonize and vilify Israel ( and Jews) when the initial post was about Israeli victims in Munich and corbyn’s apologizing for terrorism.

Lol. I just wanted your opinion about the Nakba. I'm not trying to demonise Israel. Why do you think discussing the treatment of Palestinians by Israel is demonising them?

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