Judge tells 18-year-old offender he 'would probably be raped every day' in prison

Ok, if we're talking about responding to allegations of sexual abuse, then I agree completely that this can be worked into a solution.

And I do apologize about misunderstanding that you were conflating the issues. I wasn't aware you were explaining it. I'm slightly skeptical that the two are directly correlated to one another, but I also won't be opposed to accepting them as such. I wish we had more hard data on the matter, not that it matters to me since I'm not in a position to make policies.

I prefer rehabilitation

I agree, but I feel like the two can easily and should co-exist, but I agree with your general notion of how imprisonment alone being seen as a remedy is grossly insuffecient and being very non-imaginative for a very complex situation.

But just like how you can't stop rape of another person (look at us, we're in front of a computer, how does this help Jo being mounted by Jon as we speak 20 miles from here, or Jane from Jon or whatever 25 miles from here?) you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. So having programs at the end of the day will help people, and that'll be great, but we need to put people away so they don't hurt other people in society. Punitive Vengeance isn't some evil thing. We get to talk like it is because (I presume) both of us live in very stable civil societies. Cutting off hands of thieves or dragging corpses of rapists isn't done because people are savage, they do it because they're terrified of repeated offenses being repeated by hordes of people who have no regard for their fellow societal brothers and sisters because they share no kinship. Its easy to say these people are still committing savagery in response, but for people who's lives are on a shoe string budget, having apples stolen everyday from their cart isn't upsetting them because they can't buy the newest iPod or BMW, they do it because its one less guarantee their children may not be fed, and when their children can't be fed, there is no safety net thats just going to magically help their children.

Western societies have the luxury of being in this world where people will (every once in a while, which is more than enough) go out of their way to save others who would have otherwise expired or been screwed with no hope of rescue. Anyway I digress.

I agree with your general sentiment that this sort of attitude should not deter programs from existing, let alone starting, but it could a cost inhibitor too.

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