Let us thank God for everything we can think of.

That's great and all but you lack the necessary worldview to believe that your "observations" and data and research will not be completely incorrect and obsolete tomorrow because the universe is full of randomness and chance.

Nobody believes that the universe is "full of randomness and chance." That's complete nonsense. Rather, people who know what they're talking about recognize that chance is one of many forces that plays a role in the universe.

The conclusion that observation and experience is useless simply does not follow from the premise that there is randomness in the universe.

If you believe that it does follow, then it's up to you to present a logically sound argument to support that conclusion.

You have no reason to believe that the world will continue to "behave" the way it has in the past.

Yes I do: literally all observation ever.

If there was no God and the Earth just happened to come into existence than you have NO reason to believe that a roll of the die couldn't come up Buick.

You've made your claim. Now support it. If you can't, stop making it.

And yet if there was no God and the universe was random and chance this could absolutely happen!

How?

So you're basically saying the world operates in a way that makes sense. WHY the hell would the world operate in a way that makes sense to you in your mind?

Because my mind is the result of the universe. The very concept of "making sense" is shaped by the universe.

You should watch a few of the documentaries titled Amazing Creatures that defy evolution. I think you would find it very enlightening.

I just watched the one on woodpeckers. I can't even begin to start listing the things that are wrong with this, but fundamentally the problem is that the whole thing is an argument from incredulity and ignorance. Even if no one in the world were able to come up with any idea for how a woodpecker evolved, that would not mean that it was designed. That's simply not how logic works.

A God that could create the entire universe wouldn't do it without purpose that is just silly.

Maybe the god that created the universe wanted to be silly.

Everything from gravity, to water, to the sun being exactly the right distance to not burn us up/freeze us, to the moon controlling the tides, to the animals and plants etc. ALL serve a PURPOSE and then you're going to try and say that the overall purpose for us all is just to SURVIVE???

Here you're just begging the question. In saying that these things serve a purpose, you're assuming that there's a god whose purpose they're serving. And, of course, the existence of god the the exact thing you're trying to establish. This is circular nonsense.

Not to mention the countless encounters people have had with "spirits" whether that be Angels/Demons etc.

People have also had encounters with Elvis. Do you believe he's still alive?

Show me evidence of "spirits" and we can talk.

If an intelligent creator designed and created everything including time, space, and you and I then it's logical to say he understands everything.

You're using "it's logical to say . . . " to mean, "it makes intuitive sense." That's not what matters. What matters is whether whatever premises you're working with support your conclusion. The premise "something created the universe" does not logically support the conclusion "therefore, that thing is omnipotent and omniscient." If you claim otherwise, then all you're doing is demonstrating how poorly you understand logic.

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