Libertarians

I just dont see how you can trust the market so blindly. These middlemen you mention are part of the market themselves, they went into business and they chose to exploit people because they can make money off of it. Im not saying we should blindly trust the government instead - rather the government needs a massive change to become something that can be trusted, including some more short-term accountability for their actions, so they cant just do whatever they like without the people's approval.

But in principal, I dont see how you think removing all regulation is better for people's health and lives, (not the economy) as opposed to massively changing the regulations to enforce something straightforward and simple, where everyone gets to live and middlemen like this are outlawed, and nothing else. No "extra layers of bureaucracy" are needed. I dont really buy that the doctors are gonna start showing prices upfront and allow you to shop around. This may be a weird concept for you if you've never known anything else, but a lot, I'd even say most people, just aren't like you guys, libertarians. They arent money or economy or "market" focused, they dont want to think about those things, including and especially people who go into fields like medicine where they never expect to have to deal with numbers like that. Theyre not gonna want to have to do the pricing themselves. Even if they did, you have no way of comparing services because its literally just a price tag with no context. You dont know how good he is at his job because thats information that takes over a decade to master. PreMed + Medical School + Residency and all that is literally over a decade of learning just to get started. Im sorry but I just dont think every problem is solved by the free market. It can be a great tool but relying on anything universally just seems kind of silly.

Its not just two options, either pure free market somehow magically solves it or "more layers of bureaucracy". What Im suggesting would massively strip down the complexity of the system.

Also... "Of course when you steal money from some people and give it to other people, the recipients are better off"

What is this even supposed to mean? Are you just trying to be snarky about how you dont approve of the situation here, which I already said I agree with, or are you actually disagreeing with me somehow? Are you really saying Obamacare was a bad thing in this situation? Even though insurance of that type was already the status quo solution for how to get people the financial capability to even walk in a doctor's office? Even though that was already the case are you lamenting the fact that its now happening more and therefore more people are living healthily? I already said in my last comment its no better than a temporary fix and not a real solution but at the very least it has to be that much, right? You cant be saying that economic morality is more important that the morality of human survival, can you?

/r/Libertarian Thread Parent Link - i.imgur.com