Which should tell you something, when they aren't MMA fighters or even MMA fans. They just recognize it's value from historical and personal experience

You can barely make a single post on this sub without lashing out at "MMA fanboys", despite the fact that the majority of this sub has little to no MMA experience and doesn't know shit about MMA.

Now who has a persecution complex... hypocrite.

I'm calling out the lie that you're continuously spreading as a fact without any evidence what so ever, you've admitted now several times that you don't have evidence to prove it and yet your slow brain still forces you to turn full neanderthal and keep arguing it like it's a proven fact when you yourself admit that it's not. Like when you say that MMA fighters continuously fight against elite athletes in all disciplines, that is a lie, a very small percentage of MMA fighters are even considered elite, the vast majority of MMA fighters are amateur and train against amateurs, one fallacy in your belief system that is so easily disproven through legitimate evidence, in this case statistics.

No, the history of MMA going back even to the vale tudo days (the true origin of MMA, completely separate from Bruce Lee in case you forgot) involves a lot of challenge matches, dojo storming, and sanctioned fights under open rules.

Not it's not you fucking retard, MMA started in America when people decided to blend styles together and use THAT as their style. Vale Tudo and early UFC were individual style vs style, always, the Gracie's had BJJ and brought that into UFC, they used it for decades in Vale Tudo against all other fighters who used individual disciplines. None of this is anything like the MMA that you're now sitting here hopelessly defending as the best method, you are seriously so full of shit I am somewhat surprised that so many people here actually listen to you.

How the fuck do you not know the history of your own jack off material?

I don't really care about proving it to you. It's the conclusion (or opinion) I've come to for now based on currently available evidence and experience.