Maliketh got the most shit deal in Elden Ring

1: That's not true

1.1: I never said that

1.2: I presented several other sub arguements that you didn't even attempt to address let alone fail to, so this point stands.

2: I literally completely rationalise exactly that in my reply. Pretending someone is misunderstanding something when we are both clearly on the same page is churlish and you've done it several times now. It's not effective and convinces no one. Stop embarrassing yourself with these cheap tactics.

2.1: People could also accidentally perform a frame perfect speedrun and complete the game in 6 minutes blind. This is something so vanishingly unlikely that it would be absurd to design the game accounting for specifically those actions. Similarly, someone beating the third to last boss without ever meeting Gurranq, but then also going to finish exploring the rest of the map AND having a build to even accomodate his items to have really missed out if he wasn't there is also a tiny fraction of the audience, and again literally one that's is not accounted for anywhere else. And as I said and you ignored, the game already has a built in method to deal with this that wouldn't require broken canon. In addition to that From has shown a huge aversion to breaks in canon, to the degree that almost every game mechanic is canon. So not only is there methods to avoid this choice, but the game designers actively choose to avoid this choice and have done so for an entire decade.

2.2: I never made the assumption you said I did, in fact I pretty directly said the exact opposite. If you're going to try and be as condescending as you are, maybe have actually comprehended the message you're being condescending to.

3: Ironic. Please read your posts in order and maybe it'll make sense what I'm talking about.

4: Please explain where derivative exclusivity is implied. Your entire argument latches upon it, and yet you haven't even attempted to prove it. In fact you don't even seem to realise that you need to argue for it.

4.1: Why would I need to explain why the divine tower is outside of time? You're whole style is based on nitpicking issues unrelated to the thrust of the actual arguments being made. Whether or not I have a reason why the IDT would exist outside of time doesn't mean it doesn't make sense that it would. If there's no reason why it could not be, then it can be assumed that it is for the purposes of the position. Similar to how not seeing FA from Caelid or Mountaintop is enough to show that there's something going on, even if it can be seen from the IDT. Neither of these things have any effect on the validity of the position being posed. You should avoid making these arguments as it weakens the appeal of your actual position. It might feel good to post seventeen arguments, but if sixteen of them are obviously garbage nonesense, then people are going to tune out your one good argument.

4.2: I already pointed out that all of FA is inside of a storm. Also your argument about the cutscene literally advocates for my position you realise? Because if going further into the center rewinds time, then arriving at the edge of FA would rewind FA back from being completely destroyed to being in the middle of the storm that destroyed it.

4.3: Constantly linking agreed upon descriptions that are not being interpreted the way you want is not magically going to make them be interpreted the way you want. This comes across as childish petulance. As I pointed out previously you still have never actually even argued as to the exclusive nature of these statements. If you never do that, then no one's ever going to shift their interpretation.

4.4: This final paragraph is again, simply childish. I've used far morew sources than you have, and have even included your sources within the position I've posted. Pretending that you're somehow being more legitimate and making 'real' reference, when you handwave and ignore any element of the game that conflicts with your view is frankly delusional.

Like are you here to have a conversation, or were you just expecting everyone to bow to the implication that you were really super smart? What kind of ego is that on you?

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