Do most feminists believe that men don't want women to succeed?

It should be clear that we are specifically talking about men who resent "other" groups because they hold the opinion that people from "other" groups are unfairly being given jobs or privileges that should be given to them.

It's not an opinion, but a fact, really. Whether that leads to resentment, well, what do you think it will happen? Even so, majority probably don't - I know I don't - I dislike (and oppose) such things, as I dislike and oppose any sort of discrimination of women in favour of men.

Don't "not all men" this, because that's not what's happening.

It's not a question of 'not all men', you said 'a lot'. What is 'a lot'? For example, it can mean 10% and it can mean 90% to me, depending on where and what I'm looking at. To put in your terms, "A lot" can be a spectrum. Let's determine what "A lot" means to you in this context, and start from there.

I don't think anyone's denying that

And by default, that's discrimination on skin color, or gender. I don't care if they are both qualified the same - discrimination is still discrimination even if you call it 'diversity'.

I don't feel like that's an issue

I'm well aware feminists and social justice people (I'm not sure what I'd label it, but seems accurate) don't. I do. And if I said, "Women should be discriminated against", you would too. But my sense of justice and fairness differs from yours, so let's put it in different terms, "Women should be discriminated against because they have a propensity for murder (abortion)". You wouldn't agree with it, because your morality (in this hypothetical case) is different than mine, but if I framed it that way in different places, different people would understand my sense of 'justice', and be okay with it.

But the act is still bad - it's just that your personal form of 'justice' is more acceptable in today's world than mine.

Or if I put it in more accurate terms, We need more men in nursing, or basically any position filled by mostly women, or for another example, any sort of reason - such as "I don't like women", so if a woman is qualified as much as a man, I will hire a man; if she's qualified more (than any other man), I will hire her.

It's silly.

And justifiction, por que, you may ask?

History. At which point, we can understand the question is that of two things 1) Personal sense of justice and fairness, and 2) morality. Let's note that we aren't discriminating against some white people whose parents were slaves, or whose parents were in US when jim crow was a thing - but against all white people.

Which brings us to: What about other instances of 'bad things' that happened in history. Ottoman's Empire existed, and sure, we can blame some Turkish people for it, but given all white people are discriminated against under such system, it seems only fair to blame all muslims, no? It's not like they didn't have slavery. Arab Slave trade? Hello!

Native Americans practiced a form of slavery as well, and pretty sure they killed each other.

What about commies? Sure, it's a choice to be a commie, but it resulted in how much, 100+ million deaths? Oohh, worse than nazism; let's screw them both and discriminate against them.

What about black people? Well, black people commit more murder in US, in Africa there's still slavery and whatnot, so it feels only fair to discriminate against all black people.

What about women? 660.000 abortions in 2013, because women's pleasure > human life. Ohhh. That seems bad; more discrimination! Then where's stats from juvie where 10% of kids say they were raped by staff, of which 92-95% were female perpetrators... tsk tsk.

In other words, find me a race or gender on this world that didn't do bad things, and a race, or gender, in this world, that doesn't deserve some help because of bad things being done to them. Answer: You can't.

Yet here we are. Discriminating against men, because of women, even when we know discrimination is bad, and justifying it. Discriminating against white people (and asians at times), because of black people, even if--

Eh. You see my point, and I'm sure you disagree. Still, fun times, and just shows who actually has 'power' nowadays.

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