My problem with all this pill talk

Why? What's wrong with a man (or a woman for that matter) playing video games or doing whatever the fuck else his hobby of choice is instead of chasing the opposite sex if that's what makes them happy? Who are you to declare those people to be "children"? Why is it "childish" to maintain solitary hobbies?

He can do whatever he wants, but we have limited time. If you're investing it in video games then that's less time invested in your relationship. I have already provided approx. calculations elsewhere in this thread. Do you think that time is better invested in the relationship, or on video games? If you don't want a relationship, that's fine, but most of them on TRP/TBP do and are angry that they invest time poorly.

I socialise with men and women. I don't know why you keep mentioning "events." I just meet up with my mates in the city somewhere and hang out, or we meet up at one of our places to sesh or just watch TV and have a chat.

Events were an example of getting out of the house and socialising. Of course there are other methods. Just as video games were an example of staying in and not socialising. You have drawn too much focus onto the activity mentioned, and not the point being made which was people who put themselves out there are going to have more success.

This would be fair, except that's not what your OP actually says. You are making blanket statements against anyone who has solitary hobbies and doesn't regularly "attend events" and you're labelling them children, and you're aiming this at men and implying men have some kind of duty to provide women with relationship options... which, hint, we don't. And yes I'd say the same with genders reversed as well.

No, they were examples. I also criticised women who play on their phones too much. Why did you not jump down my throat on that? Because you instantly saw video games, took it as an attack on yourself, and lashed out. It's obvious. Guys don't have any duty other than to provide themselves with relationship options if they want them. If they don't fine, but most people on TBP/TRP do, but are angry at the opposite sex for their lack of action.

So the women's problems are all men's fault? Of course.

Nope, again, I already said women have fault and are naive.

And again, why do you think solitude = "never growing up"? For either gender?

Nice cherry picking. I said 'lots of men....', not all, which is true. A minority of men choose a life of solitude, as do a minority of women.

Not at all, it's merely the impression I gleaned from your OP.

You making assumptions is not my fault. Instead of going on a defensive tirade, you could have asked for clarifications like an adult.

You are heavily biased in favour of women for whatever reason, that's all I'm pointing out. And that's your problem to deal with.

No, I am not at all. You are unable to comprehend very simplistic points. Let me make it simple for you:

  • Men and women are both going through prolonged adolescence
  • There are a lot more immature men and women out there
  • Naturally, men tend to be leaders, women tend to be followers
  • Less men are now leaders because easy times create weak men
  • Less men are therefore desirable to the women out there today
  • Both nature and nurture play a part in all of this

If men want relationships then they need to step up if they haven't already done so, but if they don't, they can continue doing what they're doing. Some men are happy doing their own thing but the reality is there is finite time per day and successful relationships require serious investment.

Disagree here, women are fine "leading" their own lives if they wish. I would agree women tend to prefer men to lead in a relationship, but that does not mean women need a leader in general.

Nope, in general they do need a leader. Women who don't have such a person in their lives tend to grow up old with serious regret due to divorces or not having children. Women who don't need a leader are the exception to the norm, and are generally the mature females who've had very good father figures (leaders) in their lives from day one allowing them to circumvent prolonged adolescence, which is a growing phenomena in today's world.

Lol you sound like you've been reading Gor too much.

No idea what that is.

You've also, once again, completely contradicted your own argument. You started off saying gender differences don't matter so much because we're in control of our development. Now you're saying men have a "natural role"?

See above. Nature and nurture play a part. In my very OP I said that external circumstances out of our control play a part, but we choose how to act and react.

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