That’s in reference to players/npc if you’re going to sit there and try and dick measure by quoting the rules towards me you won’t get far, if you read what I put is in reference to a shark for example sadly sharks don’t have arms so can’t climb slippery surfaces but they have a swim speed which in a whirlpool “at the GM’s option” I would rule they shouldn’t need to make any check to negate the effects of being pulled into the vortex if the centre was cast on them then no check to negate it required since as I pointed out in my above post, it’s a shark...a whirlpool isn’t going to drown it.

Just to clarify I was in reference to a shark not needing to make an athletics check not a player. A fault on my part if you didn’t understand that correctly but don’t comment on my comment in a passive aggressive tone chomping at the bit to prove me wrong.