Non-pentecostals of the sub, why would you, or would you not, agree with pentecostalism or the charismatic movement?

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskBibleScholars/comments/hztrm5/is_there_any_biblical_backing_for_the_belief_of/

http://www.clerus.org/bibliaclerusonline/en/gsp.htm Origen Against Celsus - Quoting Celsus, "To these promises are added strange, fanatical, and quite unintelligible words, of which no rational person can find the meaning: for so dark are they, as to have no meaning at all; but they give occasion to every fool or impostor to apply them to suit his own purposes."

& from https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/57350/is-there-any-extra-biblical-evidence-of-tongues-from-the-first-or-even-second

"The first evidence for speaking in tongues that Kydd mentions comes from the Ecclesiastical History (5.16) of Eusebius. He cites the second-century history of Apolinarius of Hierapolis, who criticizes Montanism. Describing the movement's namesake, the text reads:

And he became beside himself, and being suddenly in a sort of frenzy and ecstasy, he raved, and began to babble and utter strange things, prophesying in a manner contrary to the constant custom of the Church handed down by tradition from the beginning. (§7)

Similarly:

And he stirred up besides two women, and filled them with the false spirit, so that they talked wildly and unreasonably and strangely (§9)

Kydd argues that this is glossolalia, though the text does not state this explicitly. Kydd makes the same argument about an ambiguous passage in Origen's writings Against Celsus, 7.9. Celsus wrote his work around AD 177, criticizing Christianity, and Origen describes a portion of it as follows:

Then [Celsus] goes on to say: “To these promises are added strange, fanatical, and quite unintelligible words, of which no rational person can find the meaning: for so dark are they, as to have no meaning at all; but they give occasion to every fool or impostor to apply them to suit his own purposes.”

I'll briefly mention that others reject these understandings, such as Nathan Busenitz, arguing that these references are not actually to glossolalia."

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