Obama: US must criticize Israel if it is to defend it

That's a very interesting interpretation of history.

It's a very solid interpretation of the facts.

In real life, Zionists began a campaign to facilitate the immigration of increasing numbers of American and European Jews in the late 19th century

Yes, with the first Aliyah in 1881. So?

Of course, there was an already sizable population of Jews in the Levant at the time and I'll never claim that Palestinians were the sole occupants of the area.

"Sizable" being 25,000, yes.

Part of this immigration campaign was a land buying program in which wealthy Zionists bought up land from the former Ottoman land owners.

So legal land sales, gotcha. Here's the other side of the coin you're leaving out: some land sales were of unoccupied land, and even those Jews were attacked as early as 1885, when hardly any Jews had arrived. Why? Because they were Jews.

An unfortunate result of this arrangement was that the Palestinians who worked the land were driven from it by their new owners.

So you're telling me that the new owners of the land did what they were legally allowed to and hired new labor, yes.

The Palestinians never owned the land, they rented it from wealthy Arabs and worked it on their behalf in a sort of feudal system.

So the fault is not the Zionists', it is the fault of Zionists wanting to...hire their own family/friends as labor instead of people they didn't know?

Of course, the fact that they didn't own the land didn't really come into play for the Palestinians. According to them, the new Jewish land owners were robbing them of their livelihood. These were farmers that spent generations working the same land. Built their homes there and raised their families there. And suddenly they're homeless.

Again, not seeing where this is the fault of Zionism. Do we always blame people who buy land legally for employing their friends/family instead of strangers?

All of what I've said is well documented in the historical record from first hand testimonies and bills of sale

Yes, but it ignores the anti-Semitism that led the initial attacks pre-displacement, as well as the anti-Semitism that the Ottoman Empire never got over (despite its declaration in 1865 finally that all citizens were equal, which was not even in place for 20 years before Jewish immigrants began coming), and it also ignores that Zionists were the victims, not the culprits.

As much as you would like to paint this as a racial issue, or to claim that Arabs are inherently violent people

I didn't claim they are inherently violent. I believe they were, as happens today, indoctrinated by their leadership. They are no more inclined to violence than any other person around the world, they were simply told and taught that Jews were beneath them. A declaration 20 years before telling them that it was not the case did not change thinking that fast.

Palestinian hatred of Israel has very real roots outside of the mainstream Zionist narrative that you've obviously been indoctrinated into.

Yes, but it began as anti-Semitism and attacks against Jews.

I'd encourage you to read Righteous Victims by Benny Morris for more information on all of this.

I have. I've also spoken to him a few times before, for that matter. He documents, for example, the attack on a Jewish village whose guard accidentally shot a Palestinian. But he also documents in the first few pages of his book the attacks on Jewish immigrants who wrote of it in their diary. And Bernard Lewis, for example, documents pre-Zionism's rise in anti-Semitism throughout the 19th century Ottoman Empire. I encourage you to read his books on this.

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