People saying that "juggernauts have no counter play/AD Carries are in a weak spot" makes me think nobody played before season 4...

Thing is, people judge the juggernauts as a whole and don't take it on a case-by-case basis. I mean, look at Garen and Darius. You know what their counters are? Range, being kited. Just outrange and kite the fucks, and you'd see a difference. Pick like Jayce, Ryze, or Yorick and just outclass them. They start to farm, slap their ass until they get under tower.

And the fact that ADC's "are in a weak spot" is a dumb thing to say. They have been one of the most consistent and necessary spots on teams since the meta solidified into 1 Top, 1 Mid, 1 Jungle, and 2 Bot. Any change that's made to bruisers or tanks is usually on the basis of ADC's, and nearly every support is pigeonholed into coddling them in lane pre-6, like a diaper. The fact that people complain about being an ADC usually follows under at least one of these lines.

Also, this post was on the front page of this subreddit this past week, and some of the comments (both in the video and the thread) pissed me off. They're complaining about a FED Rengar nearly one shotting an underfed Vayne (who's squishy by default). About 36-38 seconds into the video you can see the scoreboard, where Rengar is going 20/1 and has all six items (including boot upgrade), yet Vayne is going 9/12 and has 4 items, a Doran's Blade (still!) and working on building something with a Vamp Scepter. The ADC's complaining about situations like that are just the worst, because all they're saying is "Although I am underfed, I should still be able to 1v1 the most overtly-fed champion on the enemy team." Why I say about this is because parallel arguments can be made about the Juggernauts now, where ADC's are complaining about how there's no counterplay. Don't feed the juggernaut, kite the juggernaut, win the match.

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