I understand but just because rise did stuff differently, it doesn t mean its good. As I said, I am just tiered of seeing the tmnt as goofy teenagers. 2003 show is just special because it did pretty much everything good (up until s6 but thats a different story). I do get that they went with rise doing stuff differently but I just wasn t a fan of it. There hasn t been a show as good as the 2003 in my opinion. The 2012 was alright but didn t like the designs and the shredder. The shredder in the 2003 was menacing, in the 2012 one he was... I guess scary but a downgrade from the 2003 one. Rise was just wacky, the Michael Bay turtles where horrible. You get my point. I just feel like it hasn t improved. I fear that the tmnt will became this thing for only kids to watch because they are teenagers. Which is a shame since I would love to see a show with a lot of action and dark/gritty stuff. Heck, I would love to see a show thats as good if not better than the 2003 one.