Pro-life has nothing to do with women's reproductive rights

Being unable to survive outside the mother means that it relies upon her body for survival and cannot support itself. She is not obligated to allow it to use her body to survive, because it's her body. Its needs do not supersede her rights. It does not have any right to be there, and if she chooses to remove it, then it will not live.

No one is obligated to give people life support, either. But the life support is not another person's body, so if it is provided it's not at the expense of another's bodily autonomy. I would not feel obligated to use my body to give another person life support.

I never said anything about personhood. You did. Because you like to create arguments so that you have something to use your particular arguments against. It's not about personhood. It's about bodily autonomy. You just created a bunch of arguments surrounding something that I never mentioned nor claimed, because you lack the ability to understand or respond to my actual points.

Consciousness/the mind is what separates us from things like plants and fungi. If a fetus doesn't have a mind, it's not any different.

You are using a lot of words, but you don't actually know what they mean. Just because you know some words that you see other people use in arguments, does not mean that throwing them in just anywhere has any meaning.

I don't care about personhood. It means nothing to me. I don't see the world in the narrow frame that you apparently do. I don't hold humans to be superior as you clearly do. These are things that you believe, not me. Human rights don't apply to the unborn and are arbitrary. Consciousness and the mind are what matters. Without it there is nothing. There is no you or me without the mind.

I know when consciousness begins because I study these things. I use science to tell me; I don't guess and make things up like you do.

Don't call me my guy. It's condescending and makes you sound stupid.

You aren't very smart but you have such a condescending and superior attitude.

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