/r/art has gone private following recent drama involving one of its moderators accusing and banning an artist for posting AI art

AI art can learn any style, so it's just a matter of time.

I don't think you understand this technology very well. It requires training data. The AI cannot reproduce my style to any degree of reliability if it does not have sufficient training data. I already explained this to you so it shouldn't really be necessary that I have had to now do it twice.

What even is your style? There are NO art styles that are so unique that there isn't a repository of it somewhere.

This is completely untrue. Unfortunately your arguments here are flimsy in a way that you do not seem to comprehend, so you have more confidence in them than you should. You are more than free to look at my style and try to find any artist out there who is able to reproduce it identically -- which would certainly be difficult to achieve since even aspects of my own style changes from piece to piece. The human brain doesn't work like you seem to think it does.

So? What's your point?

I have already made it. The pricing of commissions is so low as it is that there's no incentive for artists to lower their fees. If they utilize AI to improve their workflow, they're better off still charging the same fee.

Guess, what, if you use AI art then it'll take less time. If you won't use AI art, then you'll be left behind by those who will.

Anyone can use AI art and it's likely to become robust enough that I'll become obsolete as it is, and furthermore, do you think that I picked up art as a hobby just so I could correct the eyes and hands of an illustration that's been ultimately regurgitated to me?

You said you're a writer; if AI is able to fully generate a novel for you based on a few concepts, you mean to tell me that it will be a fulfilling outlet for you to ultimately make minor corrections to the work like an editor rather than to write any of it yourself?

Your comment seems extremely out-of-touch with reality and entitled. Your current job isn't completely obsolete, but the way you do it is, so you either adapt or you starve. What's so hard to understand about that? It's just the truth.

Art isn't my job; it's a hobby. I do commissions because, get this, I enjoy my hobby and I like bringing people's ideas to life. People request commissions from me because they like my work and I'm personally appreciative; anyone who wants to use an AI generator for free instead to output their work is more than free to do so without my consent.

What kind of entitled bullshit are you on about? I'm not demanding anything, I'm saying how much faster and better you could make art if you used AI as a tool, a stepping stone to make better art. Just because you spent who knows how long learning a skill doesn't mean anyone would want to pay you for it, especially when now there are other people who spend just the same amount of effort to make better, faster, and cheaper art.

It's simple economics! Do you understand that? Maybe this is why you're making less than minimum wage with commissions if you can't even understand how to remain competitive in a tight market.

This is a completely soulless view of art that is baffling from someone who works in a creative field. By all means, use AI to generate entire novels for you and cut and paste it into whatever mishmash you'd like, but recognize that people pursue the arts because they enjoy creating things for themselves and challenging their own abilities.

Your attitude here is part of the problem; you see art as a means to an end, and specifically, a means to an end to serve you, when that's not the point of art. The fact that you don't see an issue with the further commodification of art is a greater social problem and exactly why artist's works have been inserted into the training data without permission whereas the developers have tiptoed around musicians.

I'm not hiring you as an employee when I commission things, I'm paying for a product, and AI art makes it much faster and easier to create an acceptable product. Just because your product is a "luxury" doesn't mean I'll pay a premium for it when someone else can do the same for cheaper.

Honestly, you should include this screed when you commission an artist so they know exactly what kind of person you are and the complete lack of respect you have for the work that artists do. Your commentary here comes dangerously close to exploitation as you've given absolutely no thought whatsoever to the fact that fixing auto-generated work for pennies is going to cause horrible stress injuries for artists who need to fix the eyes and hands and whatever small details for hundreds of art pieces a day just to make what they would at McDonalds.

Get ahead of the curve and start using AI art to make better art or you'll be left behind.

So there's two realities here: (1) AI art is good enough that there's no reason to pay artists at all or (2) AI art will never be good enough to replace artists and none of us have anything to worry about at all and you'll just continue whining.

Either way, the best outcome for me is to do nothing of what you're saying.

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