Right, because doubting the humanity of muslims, if they voiced criticism isnt insulting to...u know...Muslims.... But sure, fine with me. i prefer dialogue without degrading the other.
Okay, to clarify, do you mean citizens or only specifically citizens born in the west? So if my sister came to U.S as a 4 year old and became a citizen at 15 and grew up westernized, clarify for me where she stands in your view. And if i may ask, why do u only have this distinction between citizens and non citizens? These seem pretty elementary principles of democracy, why is it necessary for non citizens to hide their views and beliefs? Does this include european immigrant or mexican?
And okay, i think we agree the government should protect your right to be gay and protect my rights to be a religious muslim and an Islamist politically. But since we are being intellectually honest, tell me who you think is more terrified & fearful of state sanctioned violence, is it western gays at the hands of Salafi Jihadi Muslims? OR is it western muslims at the hand of extreme xenophobic nationalists (supported by many liberals)?
I agree actually that western government's should stop anyone,Even Muslims from imposing their morality by force, however my issue is, seems to me, many liberals are focusing on a totally hypothetical threat, while ignoring the MUCH MORE real threat of right wing bigots & secular liberals imposing their views on muslims.
can u see why many muslims might be a bit doubtful about your intentions and claims of protecting 'freedom'? To us it can also means 'Our freedom to impose our beliefs, traditions, culture & dress code on you muslims.'
Again i think we agree on stopping things such as genital mutilation, which isnt really a muslim issue to begin with but mostly an African issue but yeah, regardless All government should stop this, whether western or islamic.
But when u say "women oppressed by their religion" that's a very vague statement and could mean many things to many people. Again, try to comprehend how that might worry muslims in the current climate of demonizing muslims and pretending Muslim women are all begging to throw off their hijab and become bikini models if only the progressive rich westerners would fulfill their white mans burden. Maybe ur not intending it that way but u have comprehend when a specific community is constantly demonized and put under extreme pressure. They become paranoid, feeling under siege & will resist almost anything from people they fear.
and finally, if you "seek" to take away others freedoms? So do u think this applies to me for example saying, "I believe, under islamic sharia, womens dress codes should be imposed by law"? I dont ever try to implement it myself nor do i call upon others in the west to do it its purely an issue of belief & ideology. Not an actual plan to do so.