"roll the dice" what the hell does that even mean? Hillary has about 400 more pledged delegates - people who are extremely committed to Hillary. And something like 600 superdelegates who were already well rooted in Hillary's camp since 2014. Unless Hillary is arrested for selling coke in the next two days she has the delegates.

3rd party presidential bids are a joke in current American politics. I wish it weren't the case - but that's what it is. There is a reason Bernie didn't mount one - aside from fears of being a spoiler. Logistics are impossible.

.the democrat party is going down the toilet without the Bernie supporters. even if we have to outlive the old fucks that wont think about what they are doing.

Unfortunately that's a time based game that's not happening in this election and not something that happens now. But I do agree - we need more parties. They aren't a bad thing. So go make some party up and run for state representative or state senate or city council or something. Plant a flag. Have your friends do the same.