Reminder: Pro cheating accusations must be backed up by proof - regardless of who they're from

You're all wrong. Pro's have been cheating for years, Maria Sharapova just got caught for Doping. Lance Armstrong, Marion Jones, Tonya Harding, INflate gate yes the football shit. OH MY almost forgot FIFA, LAWWL

Open your naive eyes. Flusha Things supported "key'd stars" and they then win a major soon after.

It's all rigged, WESA trying to keep the cheats real and the rigging easy for ez skins ez wins. Sure it's evidence and not PROOF, but to say that pro's CAN'T be cheating is just as bad as saying that pro's ARE cheating. Even in OTHER MAJOR sports there is prominence of cheating, doping, and other dirty little scandals. You're all supporting a rigged system and it's laughable to watch.

The REAL problem is everyone is a fanboi and can't be objective about how easy it is to cheat in a VIRTUAL sport.

Even Volvo doesn't care, that part is evident enough. With no oversight and zero regulation, this game has come from a competitive niche, to a full blown cancer scene.

Sorry to say, but you all suck for supporting such suckery.

"fishy clips" are not "fishy". They are outright INHUMAN for the most part. Been around since 1.6, the movements of mouse control is not legit on a large portion of your top tier players. And most the upcoming star players, CHEAT to get there. However, this isn't to say that some pro's are extremely talented and very good players, but when you're on the top and your skill has reached it's ceiling, there is only external influences to step your game up. And ask any TRUE competitor, their biggest goal, is to push the envelope, be the best, and truly be outstanding among their peers.

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I want to relate it to our current state of government. We continue to neglect and avoid the reality that there is a collective that is continually trying to keep the poor down and the rich on their pedestal.

Then you get ONE little bird who says, DUDE NO THIS ISN'T RIGHT YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THEY'RE CHEATING! CUS FAITH, CUS NOT PROOF, CUS BLAH BLAH BLAH.

They ARE cheating. Investigate further, even KNOWN cheat coders have commented and posted videos that there is some "fishy" stuff going on at the pro level.

If Valve let out the reality of the cheats, the scene would die. ESEA doesn't catch cheaters, ESEA is plagued with cheaters throughout all divisions and standings. It's just a matter of how GOOD you are at concealing your cheats.

So I understand your perspective that "accusations must be backed by proof", but if you've played the game enough, you should have insight that there are certain things that you can't do on the level on consistency that some of these players are doing.

You want proof? Put up a bounty for the cheat coder to come forward with admission of who he codes for. Problem is that price tag will be extremely large as the amount they're pulling in is larger than any player or ORG is making from all of this.

Don't be so ignorant to the fact that there is absurd amounts of money floating around just waiting to be picked from the hands of generosity. And cheaters will continue to find ways to get more than their fair share.

You're also missing how the current form of cheating is approached. What used to be spin bots and out right egregious cheats has now been refined and polished. "aimlocks" have become a common ground as the game has changed in so many ways, so has the way to cheat within that game. You don't win by killing every enemy, you win by overthrowing their economy. YES much like MOST wars in our petty history, you don't slaughter every civilian, you starve them of their basic needs, which in this case is Round $$$. Break their bank, put yourself in a position to win consecutive rounds.

I don't need to cheat with a crazy head shot, I just need to have knowledge of WHERE your location is. There form, I use aimlock, scan walls, catch your position and relay that information to my teammates, why do you think all the teams were so upset when ESL was having second and third streams with their comms on them? Because it shed light into the reality that these "pros" are nothing more than children with horrible comms and chemistry.

The con isn't held responsible by the artist, it is in the responsibility of the viewer to decipher how far reality reaches, and how far beyond that are these performances.

You want proof, but you don't get proof in this scenario. Until someone leaks or hacks the evidence you want, you're going to continue to be in a vortex of "insane" plays and performances that is nothing more than a theatrical drama that keeps your emotions tied to the story and disconnected from the truth of the fallacies that are before your feet.

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