Response 1

Overview

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Point 1 - Cannonball is useless

Cannonball's go-to move appears to turn on his blast field, then blitz his opponent. My opponent in previous rounds and the RT appear to peg him at building-busting levels of power, which isn't nearly enough to even harm my team.

• Black Hand can weather hits from Hal Jordan - HJ scaling, 2

• Nekron can no-sell an attack from the Anti-Monitor - AM scaling, 2

• Zeref can tank massive hits from Natsu - Natsu scaling

Cannonball cannot even hurt me really, nor can he put down any of my team with just raw brute force.

• Black Hand and Nekron are literally dead Black Lanterns who cannot die and recover from basically any damage

  • Black Lanterns don't have blood
  • Black Lanterns can continue functioning as hands and as a head and two arms
  • Black Lanterns regenerate extremely quickly, and can heal from after being practically reduced to nothing
  • Even if CB possessed a means to kill Nekron, Nekron cannot actually be erased as long as death exists

• Zeref is completely immortal and unaging, and cannot die from anything that does not have power that comes from death

  • e.g. Natsu, the main protagonist of Fairy Tail, can kill Zeref because he got powered up with the last vestiges of his foster dad Igneel's dying power, CB's power doesn't qualify
  • Even if CB could kill Zeref, Zeref has the ability to rewind time to restore himself to life even after he's vaporized entirely

Simply hitting my team hard enough does not work, Cannonball does not even hit very hard.

Besides this, Nekron and Black Hand have the power to convert people who have died before into Black Lanterns. Given that Cannonball has died before, and that the BL rings sent out have nearly caught the Flash (who is quite fast), Cannonball instantly becomes a Black Lantern at match beginning.

Point 2 - Palpatine is useless

Palpatine has three viable win conditions, none of them work.

• Lightsabers

  • BH and Nekron do not care about getting chopped up
  • Zeref wouldn't die if you cut his head off, and tanks heat ridiculously far beyond lightsabres

• Force choke

  • BH, Nekron, and Zeref all possess lifting strength via scaling to overcome this, and Zeref deploys an ever-expanding death aura to cover the battlefield - restraining him does not remove him from the fight

• Force lightning

  • Electrical damage is so deadly due to the damage it does to organs/synapses by running a current through them
  • BH/Nekron do not care about having 90% of their body gone, damage done to their organs is nothing to them
  • Zeref cannot die, additionally there are far more powerful electricity users in Fairy Tail who never once are brought forth as a solution to Zeref's threat. 2 Zeref's entire thing is that he wants to die and he's been searching for a method for 400 years, never once did he expect Laxus there to kill him

Palpatine possesses no win conditions.

On top of this, [Palpatine has also died and been revived](), meaning similarly to Cannonball he can be instantly converted into a Black Lantern should the above not work.

Once he dies, he also becomes a Black Lantern.

Point 3 - Ultron is useless

Ultron's entire thing is just being a really strong brick. Ultron may be stronger than his past forms, but my opponent in previous rounds has argued he possesses weaponry he's had in past bodies when nothing actually indicates this, nor is it provable in any capacity. Additionally, he does not use more esoteric forms of damage in-character as his time as Ultron-20, resorting purely to beams/punching:

• Ultron simply opts to punch out Moondragon

• Ultron chooses to just box with Adam Warlock

• The Spaceknight drone simply opts for a lot of beams

Even if Ultron did have sonics/electricity/etc. none of Ultron's weaponry would be effective against me.

Ultron does hit hard, sure, but refer to Point 1 as to why hitting hard does not necessitate victory against my team.

Additionally, Black Lantern Palpatine poses an immediate threat to Ultron. Ultron's internals are explicitly weak to heat and there is a fairly obvious opening to shove a nice hot lightsaber in. Besides this, Palpatine can use his Force mastery to manipulate Ultron's delicate inner circuitry, as was the argument to get him in tier for Magneto. Palpatine can and will pursue these options due to his notable intelligence and knowledge of Ultron's weaknesses.

Point 4 - I Win

So I've been laying out soft advantages of how my opponent's team turns into Black Lanterns and kills themselves but if that doesn't work here's the real stuff.

My team has a variety of means of instantly killing the opposition.

• Simply getting near Zeref means you die, and Zeref can expand his invisible death aura to cover an entire forest

  • Zeref's death aura can disintegrate metal
  • Cannonball's blast aura does not seem to have defenses against magical attack

• Black Hand can drain people's life forces near him without seemingly any sort of vector of attack and can also turn people nearby into undead

  • btw this does work on the living :feelsgunman:
  • BH's life force drain works through forcefields

• Nekron's lightning is capable of aging people to death rapidly on contact

Additionally, my team possesses other advantages readily apparent if the battle does not end instantly.

• Nekron can imbue someone with energy to compress the universe into a singularity over a long period of time

• Zeref can destroy the spacetime the battle takes place in by travelling back in time

Point 5 - Flow of the battle

• Cannonball is instantly converted into a Black Lantern

  • Palpatine is instantly killed by a supersonic blitz and converted into a Black Lantern, or is instantly converted anyway
  • Ultron is killed by Palpatine

• If this does not occur, Cannonball blasts towards my team

  • Cannonball is killed by the life force drain, zombification, or death magic
  • Cannonball becomes a Black Lantern, refer to above points

• Palpatine may attempt a force choke/lightning blast

  • This does nothing

• Ultron may attempt a blast

  • This does nothing

• My team converges on Palpatine/Ultron

• Palpatine/Ultron's close combat methods are useless against Black Lanterns/Zeref

• Palpatine/Ultron cannot survive the death magic/life force/etc etc.

• If combat does not immediately end, Zeref's death magic covers the entire battleground and kills everything alive

• If my opponent survives this, Nekron and Zeref enact their universe busts over a longer period of time and kill everyone

/u/feminist-horsebane