Why Ryzen shouldn't be the go-to recommendation for gaming anymore.

1) I didn't say beat...the aggressive overclock beats the 8400 by 7%...why can't a mild one get close?

2) These are comments i've seen on youtube...gosh, I'm not going to track them all down...you will just have to trust me...I've seen lots of videos...I'm not making it up......doesn't nullify my characterization of what an R5 is though

3) You might not gobble up every bit of every thread, but you will use a higher percentage of Coffee Lake than you will Ryzen, leaving less available for a game relative to Ryzen.... why is that hard to understand? (you also don't need to completely tap out the cpu to lower it's performance...do you understand that?) OzTalksHW did a multitasking benchmark.....and when under the same stress...Intel processors suffered a higher fps loss than Ryzens.

4) Well doesn't everything...but it doesn't 'just' depend on the game run...running a '2nd' game also uses more threads (or cpu) and leaves the Intel with less resources relative to the Ryzen and well all know that once cpu resources/threads are low enough....gaming starts to suffer much more (look at 2c/4t cpu's..despite having high single-threaded chops, the pentium G's limited multi-threading performance is what is slowing them down)

5) 6 cores is just a higher threshold...that is all. We are going to get there too...it just pushed it out a little farther. If anything....multi-threaded gaming should start gaining ground faster with Ryzens popularity and Coffee Lake adding 50% more cores, higher cored consoles, dx12 and Vulkan

6) 7700K is the 3d fastest gaming cpu in existence...8 threads...very high clocked...the point is ..game benchmarks don't equate to experience when you are already hitting very high fluid framerates there is a point of diminishing returns

7) Sure...No one can determine when games will be more threaded, just as you can't determine that the Intel will perform better with future gpu's....

In conclusion...you are not looking for counter-arguments. I made some damn good points that certainly outweigh the measly tiny fps advantage of the 8400 in current single-tasking gaming benchmarks at low res with ultra-high end graphics cards on shooty shooter games. You are just an Intel fanboy.

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